Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud • Hacker News Board

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by codingslave » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 7:59 PM UTC

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #118

codingslave wrote: post #79

I still lay claim that google is not hiring the talent that they think they are or claim to be. With such huge budgets and failed product after failed product one has to wonder what is the genesis of their failings. Having met countless arrogant but mediocre engineers that leave Google after four years, I will bring up the old algorithms only hiring nets bad employees with good memories.

I do think their engineers have likely slipped in quality over the years, but that's not the problem. The problem is their culture of product managers being rewarded for launching projects and nobody being rewarded for maintaining projects. They financially incentivize people to launch and kill projects. It sounds like a leadership problem, because only leadership can change the culture like that.

This is also true, but Google is a very engineering centric company, who they hire with regards to software end up running other parts of their business. Lots of really powerful people there came in and worked as engineers.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by bhl » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 7:59 PM UTC

cek wrote: post #12

Reminds me of Ray Noorda[1]. Nothing good ever happens when companies focus entirely on their competitors. If Google really wants to beat Amazon & Microsoft in "Cloud", they should focus entirely on the customer and the value they can provide that customer. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ray_Noorda

From the Everything Store, “We are genuinely customer-centric, we are genuinely long-term oriented and we genuinely like to invent. Most companies are not those things. They are focused on the competitor, rather than the customer. They want to work on things that will pay dividends in two or three years, and if they don’t work in two or three years they will move on to something else.”

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by ShinTakuya » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 8:00 PM UTC

JumpCrisscross wrote: post #183

echelon wrote: post #20

Oh my god. How is Google so clueless to let this leak? Now that we know they're not invested in a Google cloud beyond 2023, what reason does anyone in their right might have to use their services? I was previously considering GCP. And now I'm not. Great job, Google. You're so short-sighted you'll remain in adtech forever. Not even your founders could keep interest. This leak was a billion dollar mistake. And I'm grat…

> How is Google so clueless to let this leak? If you create a culture of intense internal competition, where identities are tied to subunits ( e.g. a product team) over the company, you incentivise leaks. Google's elitist, "product founder" driven culture, unmonitored by a detached leadership, almost guaranteed this sort of sniping and in-fighting.

This deadline should never have been set in the first place. They should have attached a massive bonus if they exceeded the target by that date instead. Of course, the CEO could have in their head the deadline, but that's be announced internally at earliest 6 months ahead of time.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by infinitone » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 8:01 PM UTC

shadowtree wrote: post #239

They put the guy that ran ORACLE'S CLOUD STRATEGY in charge of GCP. ORACLE'S. CLOUD. STRATEGY. Let's hire Thomas Kurian, bang up job on Fusion and ... oh wait, what do you mean with 'total failure'? Oracle bought Sun, it had the keys to be the third force against AWS and MSFT - and they totally blew it. Just an amazing fumble, worse than MSFT and smartphones.

Didn't know this, pretty crazy hire... what's the reasoning behind that. Maybe they were desperate as the vmware founder wanted to retire and they needed to fill in the seat quickly?

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by numbsafari » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 8:01 PM UTC

OnlineGladiator wrote: post #118

codingslave wrote: post #79

I still lay claim that google is not hiring the talent that they think they are or claim to be. With such huge budgets and failed product after failed product one has to wonder what is the genesis of their failings. Having met countless arrogant but mediocre engineers that leave Google after four years, I will bring up the old algorithms only hiring nets bad employees with good memories.

I do think their engineers have likely slipped in quality over the years, but that's not the problem. The problem is their culture of product managers being rewarded for launching projects and nobody being rewarded for maintaining projects. They financially incentivize people to launch and kill projects. It sounds like a leadership problem, because only leadership can change the culture like that.

That, and the absolute 100% lack of customer support or engagement.

Unless you are a Fortune 100, they don't do support.

Want to move an SMB with 50+ employees to Chromebooks with Chrome Enterprise? You literally cannot pay Google to support you. You have to work with one of their third-party vendors, who all suck.

Perhaps with Brin and Page finally leaving, this is something that can change. But, I doubt it will, since they hired the leadership that's implemented their vision. The next chapter of Google is likely to be how Sundar Pichai leads them to the brink.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by acruns » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 8:02 PM UTC

roystonvassey wrote: post #163

I worked with GCP on a small ( Somewhere down the line, they came back to me to let me know that I had not given them clear instructions and what I had asked was impossible. In the meanwhile, an intern in my team had got the entire solution up-and-running on a small, self-hosted containerized service. I showed them and they mumble about something to be fixed and how they'll get back to me. All in all, a complete wast…

I have done a few GCP projects and this is the typical OP of the google team. I think their intentions are good, trying to make sure you get everything perfect, but customers do not really care to spend all the corresponding time updating the google team twice a week for something that would be better served with as-needed support.

And there can be a flavor of condesending attitude when they assume the customer doesn't know anything.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by ShinTakuya » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 8:05 PM UTC

bananabreakfast wrote: post #130

scarface74 wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Google is far from the world’s “third largest provider” https://www.techrepublic.com/article/public-cloud-market-sha... As far as the manager “being on the chopping block” the article talks about “losing funding”. $8 billion in revenue means nothing. Is it profitable? This is the same company that left an entire city’s streets in disarray after abandoning Google Fiber. https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2…

Jesus, talk about hyperbole. "Far"? Trailing a couple percent behind Alibaba, a chinese only hosting provider? Get real

Alibaba operates and serves internationally.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 8:05 PM UTC

harryh wrote: post #225

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a statement that cries out for analysis, although I'm not doubting you could be right still - it's not the kind of thing one just states without backing it up.

Reader was written using a bunch of proprietary Google tools, deployed on proprietary Google infrastructure and used a proprietary Google system for authentication. It's hard to even imagine how it could have been split apart from the mothership at all.

Thanks!

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by cwyers » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 8:08 PM UTC

echelon wrote: post #20

Oh my god. How is Google so clueless to let this leak? Now that we know they're not invested in a Google cloud beyond 2023, what reason does anyone in their right might have to use their services? I was previously considering GCP. And now I'm not. Great job, Google. You're so short-sighted you'll remain in adtech forever. Not even your founders could keep interest. This leak was a billion dollar mistake. And I'm grat…

> Oh my god. How is Google so clueless to let this leak?

Two people can keep a secret if one of them is dead.

Re: Google Brass Set 2023 as Deadline to Beat Amazon, Microsoft in Cloud

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Post by luckydata » Tue, Dec 17, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

sylens wrote: post #220

throwawayhhakdl wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Stadia would probably crumble alongside GCP by necessity too, right?

Stadia is a brute force attempt to grow GCP revenue

it's more of a forcing function than anything else.