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Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by lstodd »

souprock wrote: post #232

There aren't even any scrollbars on Hacker News. There are no scrollbars anywhere. Firefox may be to blame, but Ubuntu gets final responsibility. Firefox in Ubuntu 18 simply doesn't do scroll bars. In case it is an unexpected culprit, I switched to XFCE and then uninstalled a bunch of Unity stuff, but that shouldn't break Firefox. Fix?

There's something very wrong with your install.

There are plenty of scrollbars here on xubuntu 18.04 and xubuntu 19.04

I don't know, maybe it's Unity aftereffects. I've been on xubuntu (xfce ubuntu flavor) since before 14.04 came out. It never suprised me, which is the killer feature. Also scrollbars.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by andrepd »

cortesoft wrote: post #66
buboard wrote: post #3

Flipping flip i agree! It's not just scrollbars. I hate the mobilification of everything. I hate that desktop designs are imitating the nonexistent information density of phones. Bring back menubars, and extensive left-hand hierarchies . Even in mobile, it's more practical for me. I like a full page where i can zoom in and out faster between its parts rather than scrolling up and down all the time (I browse reddit in…

Yeah, I always use desktop old reddit on my phone... I like small text I zoom in on. What I hate even worse though is endless scroll... give me damn pagination with buttons! So I can reload the page and not worry about losing my spot, or accidentally scrolling away... let me use the back button on my browser!

i.reddit.com

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by lilyball »

LeoPanthera wrote: post #295
betterbeehome wrote: post #219

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thanks for pointing this out. Don’t think I would have figured that out.

"Don’t think I would have figured that out." This, unfortunately, describes half the features of iOS. Apple is deeply in love with the undiscoverable UI - and then NOT DOCUMENTING it. Drives me absolutely crazy.

This one is actually in the iOS 13 release notes you see when selecting Learn More in the software update screen.

That said, I stumbled across it by accident first.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by Groxx »

qubex wrote: post #169
grawprog wrote: post #15

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>I don't know what the state of this is on Android, but iOS 13 lets you grab the scrollbar and go immediately to wherever you want in a document. It's inconsistent on android, it works like that with most things but strangely not with some apps. You can't grab the scrollbar in Retroarch for example, even though you can see it. It makes scrolling through huge lists of ROMs extremely aggravating.

> It’s inconsistent in Android The only thing consistent about Android is its inconsistency, but even that can vary. On a more serious note, I can’t find the date this was originally published (??? Seriously?!) so I don’t know what OS and browser versions were prevalent at the time of writing.

Top right corner over by the user info - 3 years ago.

I double checked by going to their other posts - it is the post-age, not the user-age, despite the "follow this user" button right next to it.

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Post by [deleted] »

taejavu wrote: post #300
city41 wrote: post #275

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This is what I see: https://i.imgur.com/nmi0FHQ.png For me the hamburger button's media query is set to a width of 1366px. I don't have a dropbox account. I do notice no matter what I always end up at ` https://www.dropbox.com/?landing=dbv2` , so I may somehow be being put into an AB test. Even an incognito window does that. The name `dbv2` might imply a new version of the site that is in the works? Shrug.

Ah, I think you'll see what I see at https://www.dropbox.com/?landing=dbv1 Yours looks like https://www.dropbox.com/business

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Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by ghostly_s »

dredmorbius wrote: post #82
wlesieutre wrote: post #6

> 2. No flipping way to quickly navigate to the top or bottom of the post. I don't know what the state of this is on Android, but iOS 13 lets you grab the scrollbar and go immediately to wherever you want in a document. The scrollbar doesn't show up by default, so it's a 2-step operation. Scroll a bit to make the scroll indicator appear, then grab it and scroll faster. Works well but I doubt many people are aware of…

On various apps, with Google Chrome/Android being the worst, it can take minutes to scroll through pages / tabs. I tend to have a lot of browser tabs open (well over 1,000 on desktop Firefox, which actually is fairly managable), and on Android there's simply no way to deal with more than ~20 (which I can easily hit in a minute or so). Firefox/Android is far better in this regard, but on my device is so slow (literall…

Scroll performance in these scenarios is perfectly fine on an iPhone. I also tend to have hundreds of tabs up in Safari, not that I condone working that way...it's a sickness. Alas I've recently learned Safari's limit is 500. It's cumbersome but you can zip through them quite fast.

You seem to be describing a deficiency with your platform or your hardware, not with "mobile."

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Post by DonHopkins »

buboard wrote: post #215
discreteevent wrote: post #208

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The hieroglyphs are beyond me. It's literally making up your own alphabet not to mind language. Might be the ultimate sign of the over indulgence of developers/designers. Each gets their own perfect world which we must spend the time decrypting

I wish at least they used the egyptian ones. I 'd love to learn their language

Then you'd love OS/Iris, which died a long time ago but was later resurrected!

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Osiris_myth#Death_and_resurrec...

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by Legogris »

buboard wrote: post #3

Flipping flip i agree! It's not just scrollbars. I hate the mobilification of everything. I hate that desktop designs are imitating the nonexistent information density of phones. Bring back menubars, and extensive left-hand hierarchies . Even in mobile, it's more practical for me. I like a full page where i can zoom in and out faster between its parts rather than scrolling up and down all the time (I browse reddit in…

This! Somehow I feel that the desktop UX model of 90s were actually conceptually much better than what most modern apps are doing and it's a shame that instead of doing incremental improvements on that (sure, it's far from perfect) we've thrown out the baby with the bathwater.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by IIAOPSW »

_f1dq wrote: post #51
city41 wrote: post #37

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I was pretty blown away to see that Dropbox's hamburger menu opens to take over the entire screen, including on desktop. In other words, they only considered mobile in their design. You can try it even if you don't have an account, just go to dropbox.com and click the hamburger in the upper right.

I see this happening a lot. "Mobile first!" doesn't mean "Mobile only!"

I personally think "mobile first" should mean we force the devs to use a mobile device as their work computer until they all realize how fundamentally crippling mobile UI is and we all agree to stop shoving it on everyone.

Re: Who Killed the Scrollbar?

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Post by comex »

bobbylarrybobby wrote: post #283
ken wrote: post #228

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I've heard this from several sources, but never been able to make it work. What apps, and what version of iOS? Is it new in iOS 13?

It's pretty much everywhere you can see the scrollbar. Just press on the scrollbar for a second (so that it seems deliberate), then drag it around.

It is new in iOS 13, for the record.
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