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Re: Collapse OS

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Post by 0xdeadb00f »

Scapeghost wrote: post #225
rapind wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'd like to see a log being kept in orbit. Like every 10 years it's rotated (FIFO, oldest comes down, new one is launched) with a large delta so that it might survive our current civilization in case of global / climate craziness.

What about burying something on the moon, with monoliths and radio sources marking its location?

Isn't the moon protected even less from solar flares? How deep would you need yo build something on the moon for it to be protected, compared to on earth?

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Post by dusted »

I'll chose TempleOS for my go-to "paranoid schizophrenic philosophy" daily driver over CollapseOS anyday, and I'm atheist.

Re: Collapse OS

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Post by dusted »

neurobashing wrote: post #60

The manifesto/winter-is-coming bits and overall design reads to me like TempleOS without the mental illness. Eg, a shell that "compiles", no protected memory, etc.

> without the mental illness.

"But if the collapse magnitude is right, then this project will change the course of our history, which makes it worth trying."

Let's say the jury is still out on that one? :D

Re: Collapse OS

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Post by jeditobe »

AtlasBarfed wrote: post #285
cable2600 wrote: post #172

Earlier quoted context omitted.

NeXTSTEP basically became MacOSX when Apple merged MacOS with it. AROS is the next best OS to use as it has a low memory footprint and can run on X86 systems: http://aros.sourceforge.net/ If you want Windows try ReactOS: https://reactos.org/ OS/2 try OSFree: http://osfree.org/ BeOS try HaikuOS: https://www.haiku-os.org/ All are low memory OSes.

OSX is horribly bloated already. I want to add in things without the bloat. Never heard of AROS... ReactOS is bloated by definition of replicating windows, isn't it? It probably uses less than main windows, but it is just my opinion that the 1990-1997 period preceded some of the real bloat added due to the massive Moore's law gains after that with the GHz races. OS/2 ... seems obscure to me but I never used it. But N…

>ReactOS is bloated by definition of replicating windows

It is very wrong assumption!

Re: Collapse OS

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Post by illys »

alexeichemenda wrote: post #129
bcaa7f3a8bbc wrote: post #54

I don't think just developing a Z80 operating system is enough. The whole ecosystem needs to be preserved. In agriculture, we have the doomsday seed vault [0] just for this purpose. If we anticipate collapse of the current economic system or society, I think we should build a doomsday computer vault, that keeps everything we need to rebuild the computing industry in a underground bunker. It keeps everything we need i…

Sorry if this is a naive question, but if the assumption is "doomsday", how would one know how to access vault and that it even exists?

And what about the opposite issue: too many people know and enter in a greedy and bloody competition?

It reminds me an 80's cartoon where Spanish, aliens and 3 children run after a golden city and destroy it out of greed when they find it.

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Post by garmaine »

biztos wrote: post #192
garmaine wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

TI calculator. Old school game boy.

Dunno if this counts because I guess it's the "eZ80" but it looks like TI still makes one: https://education.ti.com/en/products/calculators/graphing-ca...

The TI-83 and TI-86 series calculators were Z80 based.

Apparently they discontinued those in 2004. Huh.

Maybe the m68k would be a better target? Actually if the OP is serious about this project, I would write base kernels for Z80, m68k, armv7, and RV32i. The last one isn't widely available, but has the advantage of being both modern architecture and allowing open-source specs for how to construct one from scratch.

Re: Collapse OS

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Post by insamsu »

Everyone is comparing it with Seed Valut[0]. its better to have a complete eco-system for computers. But its a nice forward step to save the technology in small computer, which gives the basic idea of how to proceed further. in case if you start storing the everything you need lots of space underground which seems not feasible.

In my opinion, there should be system in which all the blueprints for the technology is saved & that machine should be self sufficient to run on its own power, memory and should be capable enough to educate or atleast gives the basic idea of structure, as after the post Collapse, if anyone who is lucky enough get this technology, can improve and build a new system.

I like the idea of Collapse OS, in similar manner create the machine which can run any software/os or supports most basic and used operations.

Same goes with the books as well.

~Nauman

Re: Collapse OS

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Post by nitoy69 »

They have much too rosy an idea of the future. Nuclear war is actually the only thing that will save them! By that time countries will be their own separate cyber-Fascist states, actually cooperating with each other to keep their citizens, by that time implanted with chips in their brains and connected to the central Net, in line. Oh, by the way, they won't be forced to have the chips implanted, they'll willingly line up for it! So they can get their Dominos Pizza, and Amazon deliveries, and Google Map directions all with a thought! Or so they'll be told. Besides, the asymmetry in computing power between the rulers and the enslaved will be laughable. The government will have even (more) powerful quantum based machines. Cobbled together 48K Z80 machines will be insignificant. If they're even tolerated. Which they won't be...

Re: Collapse OS

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Post by PastaMonster »

bcaa7f3a8bbc wrote: post #54

I don't think just developing a Z80 operating system is enough. The whole ecosystem needs to be preserved. In agriculture, we have the doomsday seed vault [0] just for this purpose. If we anticipate collapse of the current economic system or society, I think we should build a doomsday computer vault, that keeps everything we need to rebuild the computing industry in a underground bunker. It keeps everything we need i…

Technology evolves so fast that a tech vault would become obsolete very fast. People in the future may not know how to deal with such obsolete technology. Technology also degrades over time. Unlike seeds you cant "freeze" technology to keep it from degrading. At least I dont know how.

Re: Collapse OS

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Post by collinmanderson »

garmaine wrote: post #306
biztos wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dunno if this counts because I guess it's the "eZ80" but it looks like TI still makes one: https://education.ti.com/en/products/calculators/graphing-ca...

The TI-83 and TI-86 series calculators were Z80 based. Apparently they discontinued those in 2004. Huh. Maybe the m68k would be a better target? Actually if the OP is serious about this project, I would write base kernels for Z80, m68k, armv7, and RV32i. The last one isn't widely available, but has the advantage of being both modern architecture and allowing open-source specs for how to construct one from scratch.

eZ80 in the TI-84 Plus CE (still manufactured) is backwards compatible with Z80 code.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zilog_eZ80

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