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Match.com Used Fake Ads to Swindle Users, F.T.C. Says

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Re: Match.com Used Fake Ads to Swindle Users, F.T.C. Says

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Is this more than just speculation? According to the linked occupid data ( https://web.archive.org/web/20170330131859/https://theblog.o... ) while women underrate attractiveness of men, the distribution of messages fllows the attractiveness curve: Men receive about the same amount of messages independent of attractiveness ( https://web.archive.org/web/20170331084200im_/https://cdn-im... ). Especially compared to the…

The study from OkCupid that I saw a long time ago showed that the top 78% of women were only interested in the top 22% of men (where top denotes a score that rates how often others are interested in you, the amount of messages you receive etc). The reverse then meant that the bottom 78% of men had to compete for the attention of the bottom 22% of women. They retracted that study after a while, but other dating sites…

If it is 80% male, that would mean that the women generally simply matched available males and then were done with it all.

There is no way to achieve monogamous one-to-one pairing for everyone in place that is 80% male. Of course only minority of men succeeds. And while here it is not exactly 1-to-1, it is not actually all that much far off.

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Dating threads on HN honestly could be confused for incel message boards on Reddit. Some real quotes from this thread: 1. "As a male, it becomes very difficult to stand out if you are actually interested in someone." 2. "I know a few women that use Tinder: they are alone, late thirties and never got anything serious out of Tinder, but they use it to reassure their attractiveness" 3. "Bumble's rule is that Men are not…

>If you want to improve your dating prospects, get in shape. Anyone can get in shape, doesn't matter how rich or successful or handsome your face is.

That's exactly the problem: men have to get in shape to get women who are way below their looks. And that's all. Men see this as unjust. Whether this is unjust or not is a matter of opinion which you may or may not agree on, but it's an opinion nonetheless.

Also with 5 and 6 you seem to be dismissing the need to be loved as a healthy person?

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I know a few women that use Tinder: they are alone, late thirties and never got anything serious out of Tinder, but they use it to reassure their attractiveness by the continuous flow of likes they get. It is a morale booster, nothing more.

I know plenty of straight couples who are married or in committed long term relationships and met on tinder.

My current girlfriend and I matched 2 years ago on Tinder. It was my 3rd attempt at trying it again after closing my account twice after no success. I changed my tactic, and paid for Tinder Gold / Plus and bought booster packs. I played their game and eventually they let me win.

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Dating threads on HN honestly could be confused for incel message boards on Reddit. Some real quotes from this thread: 1. "As a male, it becomes very difficult to stand out if you are actually interested in someone." 2. "I know a few women that use Tinder: they are alone, late thirties and never got anything serious out of Tinder, but they use it to reassure their attractiveness" 3. "Bumble's rule is that Men are not…

> 1. "As a male, it becomes very difficult to stand out if you are actually interested in someone."

How is this an incel statement?

> 5. "All dating apps are filled with fakes and scams mostly perpetrated by those who own the app to milk you of your money.

We just saw that this isn't such a crazy concept.

Interested in hearing what I might've misunderstood.

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Dating threads on HN honestly could be confused for incel message boards on Reddit. Some real quotes from this thread: 1. "As a male, it becomes very difficult to stand out if you are actually interested in someone." 2. "I know a few women that use Tinder: they are alone, late thirties and never got anything serious out of Tinder, but they use it to reassure their attractiveness" 3. "Bumble's rule is that Men are not…

> 1. "As a male, it becomes very difficult to stand out if you are actually interested in someone." How is this an incel statement? > 5. "All dating apps are filled with fakes and scams mostly perpetrated by those who own the app to milk you of your money. We just saw that this isn't such a crazy concept. Interested in hearing what I might've misunderstood.

Because in reality it probably applies to both genders. Is it easier for women to stand out if you're actually interested?

Standing out in a group of hundreds or thousands of people (as with tinder) is always hard, dating doesn't have anything to do with that.

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Dating threads on HN honestly could be confused for incel message boards on Reddit. Some real quotes from this thread: 1. "As a male, it becomes very difficult to stand out if you are actually interested in someone." 2. "I know a few women that use Tinder: they are alone, late thirties and never got anything serious out of Tinder, but they use it to reassure their attractiveness" 3. "Bumble's rule is that Men are not…

While some of your (quite sanctimonious) comment is spot on and hits on a legitimate attitude problem, I do want to point out that the “women go for only the top 20% of men” figure has some data supporting it,

- https://web.archive.org/web/20170330131859/https://theblog.o...

If you imagine the way males assign attractiveness to females and vice versa like economic gini distribution graphs, the way attractiveness is distributed from women to men (among that cohort of OKCupid users) is extremely unequal, outside of any semblance of an equitable distribution, and significantly different from how men distribute attractiveness to women.

It is alarming and disturbing for men and women that online dating cultivates such an unrealistic standard of attractivess defined by women.

I don’t put as much stock into aspects of this around messaging, because women have to deal with incredible amounts of spam and abusive messaging and really any signal they might use (like skewed attractiveness ratings) to cut down message volume is something I can sympathize with.

But it doesn’t matter your political leanings, opinions of gender discourse, etc. You say,

> “Stop blaming women -- they pursue the most attractive males just like you pursue the most attractive women, it's normal.”

but I’m sorry, you’re just putting your head in the sand about real data that has an inconvenient matter of fact which disputes at least some popular types of progressive narratives about this.

(And also, nobody is “blaming” women about it — interesting how you got there. You can’t fault women for pursuing self-interest and setting it up as a winner take all game among men, given that the fraudulent activity of the app companies allows women this opportunity by keeping men of all parts of the attractiveness distribution around through false hope of fraud messaging.

If men got clear signals from using the apps, then men in the bottom 80% of attractiveness distribution would leave, women would stop getting the same message volume, and then women would experience the reverse supply & demand problem, gradually realizing that unless they also are in the top attractiveness quantiles, there is no supply for them among just 20% of men, and then things could possibly equilibrate to a realistic supply & demand situation with both men and women from all quantiles of attractiveness ... but this all hinges on the app companies not being able to monetize on the forsaken bottom 80% of men via carrot and stick fraud tactics).

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Dating threads on HN honestly could be confused for incel message boards on Reddit. Some real quotes from this thread: 1. "As a male, it becomes very difficult to stand out if you are actually interested in someone." 2. "I know a few women that use Tinder: they are alone, late thirties and never got anything serious out of Tinder, but they use it to reassure their attractiveness" 3. "Bumble's rule is that Men are not…

This is one of the most flamebait comments I’ve seen in this board, so I’ve flagged it. You’re putting words in a lot of people’s mouths and assuming a lot of things about large swaths of this forum (that we all have terrible social skills/are out of shape/etc) based on comments about the business practices of dating apps. You seemed to know this by making a throwaway account, but next time why not just not comment at all?

Re: Match.com Used Fake Ads to Swindle Users, F.T.C. Says

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Dating threads on HN honestly could be confused for incel message boards on Reddit. Some real quotes from this thread: 1. "As a male, it becomes very difficult to stand out if you are actually interested in someone." 2. "I know a few women that use Tinder: they are alone, late thirties and never got anything serious out of Tinder, but they use it to reassure their attractiveness" 3. "Bumble's rule is that Men are not…

The truth is that dating apps are pure trash preying on the most basic human emotions. Go out, meet people in real life, it's not hard and it's way more rewarding. They don't even hide it anymore, they're hookup apps, not dating apps. Their whole business model is milking people looking for hookups, as soon as you settle down you're not a customer.

If your dating experience is endlessly swiping on tinder and going to dates every 3 days (which is what I'm witnessing in my circles) no wonder you never settle, the grass is always greener on the next swipe.

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Dating threads on HN honestly could be confused for incel message boards on Reddit. Some real quotes from this thread: 1. "As a male, it becomes very difficult to stand out if you are actually interested in someone." 2. "I know a few women that use Tinder: they are alone, late thirties and never got anything serious out of Tinder, but they use it to reassure their attractiveness" 3. "Bumble's rule is that Men are not…

>If you want to improve your dating prospects, get in shape. Anyone can get in shape, doesn't matter how rich or successful or handsome your face is. That's exactly the problem: men have to get in shape to get women who are way below their looks. And that's all. Men see this as unjust. Whether this is unjust or not is a matter of opinion which you may or may not agree on, but it's an opinion nonetheless. Also with 5…

I doubt that. I (as a male) would argue that women are under more pressure to conform to beauty standards than men. It's fine not to get in shape for dating if you expect your partner to be the same.

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Dating threads on HN honestly could be confused for incel message boards on Reddit. Some real quotes from this thread: 1. "As a male, it becomes very difficult to stand out if you are actually interested in someone." 2. "I know a few women that use Tinder: they are alone, late thirties and never got anything serious out of Tinder, but they use it to reassure their attractiveness" 3. "Bumble's rule is that Men are not…

You don’t seem understand at all.

Biologically males are supposed to make contact with females, that is how every species works, but we as humans has now created an environment where that is either frowned upon or ridiculed.

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