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Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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Looking at the text of the fine, you can't charge money to teach people things ("offer education" in their parlence) in a physical location without state approval. Could that be any more broad? Education is often just verbal and written communication between people. Seems like a first amendment violation.

> Looking at the text of the fine, you can't charge money to teach people things ("offer education" in their parlence) in a physical location without state approval. It looks like you ignored a lot of the text of the order, such as the citation of exemptions, and the limiting qualifier “postsecondsry” before education. > Could that be any more broad? Well, no, it would be harder for it to be more broad than your misc…

You're so called 'limiting qualifier' describes literally everyone who has graduated high school. If I got on the bad side of the government and they wanted to throw the book at me I could be fined for giving guitar lessons to my neighbor.

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Can someone tell me what a Lambda school is? From the comments here it appears its a specific class of school. From their site it just looks like a regular online learning company.

It's a 9-month (full-time) programming + computer science school where you only pay if you get hired making $50k+/yr in the field you studied. If you don't you pay $0. If you do, you pay 17% of income for 2 years, capped at $30k total.

Wow, indentured servitude is back in fashion?

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Why does anyone need permission from The State to teach? Seems like a violation of the first amendment.

Wait until you hear that you can't lie about being a doctor.

It's beneficial for society to make sure entities representing that they are something, actually are that something.

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Pretty sure that information is wrong, because I was born in 1989...

Hmmm. > Lambda, Inc. of California, doing business as Lambda School, operates as a school. The School offers course such as computer science, software engineering, machine learning, web developing, and java script learning programs. Lambda School serves clients in the State of California. > SUB-INDUSTRY > Educational Services > WEBSITE > www.lambdaschool.com So far so good. The address does appear to be wrong, judgin…

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Re: Lambda School fined $75k by CA for operating without state approval [pdf]

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If you've spent months and $20k, now "wasted", in a school environment then I have serious questions about the school's feedback and gating systems. Why wasn't this individual given unambiguous signals about their progress (i.e. insufficient)? Even hard stops because they "failed a required class" or similar?

Oh wow, I could talk for hours about this. From what I've heard at a lot of schools, the teachers would like to "fail" people or have higher standards for entry - but management and sales (I mean, admissions) push back hard. A student leaving is money lost. A student just not doing well afterward is something that they can write off as some glitch. They'd rather have the latter. Or they want the instructors to do sup…

From what I understand, the system I saw had originally started with good standards. The first few small classes came out of the program fine, got internships and Junior positions at a variety of local firms.

Then had grew bigger groups, lowered the bar for students, increased prices, reduced scholarships, more focus on financing via loans, and then changed the curriculum in response to the requests of local industry.

On paper they all have reasonable explanations.

Bigger groups? Well we just have so many more people applying! After all, they evangelized the hell out of the program, getting both graduates and local well-known business leaders to speak about the wonders of the program.

Lowering the bar and offering loans? Well they're just opening it up to folks from non-traditional and more varied backgrounds. Don't want to be classist or whatever the hell else -ist! I'm self-taught, I sure didn't want to be one to pull the gate up behind me, and what's more I saw folks from non-traditional backgrounds do well. There is some validity to this.

Changing the curriculum in response to your local board of industry advisors? Great idea! The students will be even more likely to land roles afterwards because those doing the hiring are telling us what their actual needs are. Well what it turned into was a tale of too many cooks. You have an already small time frame with which to teach core material further reduced to satisfy an advisor. Teaching Java and Spring? Why not throw in some Android! Well we'd be in remiss to not touch on Scala, oh and Clojure too! Because they need exposure to other languages!

So now you have a three-month camp for someone that needs to learn Java basics of Spring, basics of their build tool, Gradle, so throw in some Grovvy, oh and basics of Hibernate... which means basics of databases. Oh, don't forget this is all being run on their shiny new MBPs so there's the whole systems administration jackassery. So why not then throw in a week of Android, another week of Scala and Clojure, when they barely understand syntax as a concept to further confuse them. So that's 12 weeks minus 4 weeks for the capstone gives you 8 weeks for all that I just listed, only 6 weeks for the core material.

As I write this out, I'm even more amazed at the folks who came out of that and landed anything. Thankfully for a few of my friends and colleagues the front-end courses were a bit more focused and seemed to produce more working candidates.

Sometimes a shyster comes along and hoodwinks people, sometimes you have incompetence, sometimes both. Either way it's the students left holding bag.

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I used to work in compliance and the number of regulations that are punitive punishments for bad things that actually happened is just astounding. SOX compliance is arduous but it only exists (and is as strict as it is) because some banks decided to destroy the global economy just to make a bit of money and couldn't understand why this was a bad thing.

Sox was passed in response to Enron. While that may have been a big failure, it had no effect on the wider economy. In fact Enrons scandal only came out after the 2001 recession ended... the economy grew during and after Enron’s failure.

Should the government have waited for another half a dozen “Enrons” before acting? The whole point of regulation is to avoid such occurrences not as an “I told you so”

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So much for "states-as-laboratories" [1]. There may be some usefulness in that concept, but without eventually harmonization of best practices, it can also be incredibly wasteful and create harmful barriers to entry. [1] https://scholar.valpo.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1888&c...

This is actually a good case for the concept as some states will improve their processes to better work with educators like Lambda and the learnings will spread to many of the other states over time. The only way for their to have been a unified process for paperwork, previously, would have been to require too much and to implement a process to prevent states from proactively updating their process quickly enough to…

There's really not much pressure for states to adopt best practices. I work at a tax policy think tank, and a lot of the most populous and richest states also have some of the most poorly constructed tax code (e.g., CA's Prop 13). They can get away with it because people want to live and work there regardless. The network effects of established urban areas--especially with specialized industries like Silicon Valley has--are difficult to overcome.

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What I've learned is to always include a few token spelling and grammar errors in the first draft of anything so reviewers feel like they have done their job. /s

I used to run a pizzaria and the health inspector would stick around for ages, because he couldn't find anything to site me for. I combed through the specs and found something to keep him happy. It turns out to be a minor NY health code violation to store clothing on the same storage unit as food. So I attached a coat rack to the shelf that held sealed canned good. Problem solved.

You added a duck! https://blog.codinghorror.com/new-programming-jargon/

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When the government makes you waste a a day filling out paperwork to prove that your dog food doesn’t contain human remains, don’t blame the regulators. Blame the guy before you who made a buck by vertically integrating his cannery and his morgue.

Right, because there is no other option than to have the government get in everyone's business. Why should the government impose on my business because some asshole did something he shouldn't have? It's oppressive and we should fight it.

This “imposition” is a cost of doing business. If you don’t like it choose another line of business. For as long as there is a legitimate demand for the product/service in question someone will provide supply at a price point which is sustainable. The process of getting to that point may involve some companies trying and failing before others try and succeed. This is capitalism.
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