YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems” • Hacker News Board

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by peu4000 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:08 PM UTC

jlmorton wrote: post #70

There's a lot of bad content on the Internet, and a lot of people wanted to ban it. And the free speech absolutists said, that's a slippery slope. Once you start restricting speech beyond whatever is illegal, there will be no end to the demands to ban certain content. And a lot of us said, slippery slopes are silly arguments. All we're asking is to ban overt racism and calls to violence. We can evaluate these things…

There's no such thing as a free speech absolutist and YouTube was never a free speech platform.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by commandlinefan » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:08 PM UTC

lutorm wrote: post #20

unreal37 wrote: post #13

I know this might not be a popular opinion. But showing people how to hack systems... that seems like an OK thing to ban. It's a crime. Teaching people how to commit a crime has always been not OK.

No, whether it's a crime depends. Is it a crime to teach people how to pick a lock?

Hacking is not only not necessarily a crime, you can actually get a job doing it responsibly (red team security professional). I'm looking forward to seeing Amazon refuse to sell the Red Team Field Manual because it's about "hacking".

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jlawson » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

raisedbyninjas wrote: post #274

dekrg wrote: post #199

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So the recorded Google employees were deepfakes? Or are you saying that autocomplete results for "men can " in Google search are totally natural and not at all political engineering done by Google?

So I actually watched the video. Jen Gennai said that if Google is broken up the pieces won't be as effective at thwarting the next "Trump Situation". The frauds a Veritas interpret this as preventing the free and fair election of their favored candidate. Mrs. Gennai said she used imprecise words in a bar conversation when she didn't know she was being recorded. She likely meant that are making an attempt to reduce t…

The idea that a single group of people should be 'auditing the identification of truth' with no transparency, no diversity of viewpoint, and no accountability is frighteningly Orwellian.

We are headlong sprinting towards a dark future of corporate control over human expression and democracy itself. And you're helping the megacorps consolidate power because the already convinced you that the people criticizing them are icky.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by mamon » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

Ok, so Google is acting like Inqusition, banning some domains of knowledge... Guess humans haven't evolved much since Middle Ages.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by bryanrasmussen » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:09 PM UTC

floatingatoll wrote: post #147

One effective way to protest this would be to report videos by high-profile companies such as Microsoft, Amazon, and Google itself. Take a few minutes to look for a video about Azure or AWS or GCP, or a video of a presentation at a conference around such things, and report it as Inappropriate content citing the relevant terms of service. Be very careful only to report content that conforms to the above description —…

This is a great strategy when dealing with a corporate entity that isn't actively evil.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by jjulius » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:10 PM UTC

drak0n1c wrote: post #257

jjulius wrote: post #174

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is what I posted in response to someone else: If Project Veritas is indeed what OP was referencing, then the claim can be easily dismissed without viewing the "source" footage, given Veritas' and O'Keefe's extensive history of selective editing, fraudulent claims, dubious methods and borderline entrapment[1]. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_O%27Keefe#Major_works

They post the entire unedited footage soon after the initial reveal, for years now. That's much better than CNN, MSNBC, Fox, late night shows, etc. Should the findings of muckrakers be discarded because the practice of muckraking is dishonorable?

And how many times (ACORN, NPR, etc.) have the full versions of those videos shown something different than what the edited versions portrayed?

It's been six days since the "initial reveal"[1] of the video and documents (which, if you read them, are incredibly unbiased). Care to share a link to the entire unedited footage of these new interviews?

[1]https://www.projectveritas.com/2019/06/24/insider-blows-whis...

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by marcosdumay » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:13 PM UTC

JTbane wrote: post #19

There's a fine line between pentesting education and "how to break into a computer", and it's sad that instructional videos are now being banned due to this policy.

Is there a line? I fail to see any difference.

I also don't understand how a video teaching how to make your software more secure is different from a video teaching how to exploit insecure software. For all I know, they are the exact same video.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by squish78 » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:13 PM UTC

tasty_freeze wrote: post #160

whatshisface wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vimeo isn't clean, they banned Alex Jones for believing (edit: and yes, saying) unacceptable things.

Your edit doesn't go far enough. He encouraged hate against the parents of the children killed at the Sandyhook mass shooting. Yes, Jones has a right to be a crackpot, but it ends when it infringes on the rights of the people Jones' audience harassing.

What specific action(s) did he encourage/advocate? Hate is an emotion, and an incredibly subjective one.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by fghtr » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:13 PM UTC

gen3 wrote: post #156

manjana wrote: post #140

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No problem. Do you have any idea where you'll archive them?

My local server. If the smoke clears and channels do get banned, I'd buy a VPS or post torrent links.

Consider peertube instead.

Re: YouTube bans content “showing users how to bypass secure computer systems”

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Post by root_axis » Wed, Jul 03, 2019, 8:14 PM UTC

You want YouTube to be one way, but it's the other way.

Protest. Boycott. Build alternatives.

This is how you fight corrupt corporations. It makes no sense to force YouTube to host all content for free. YouTube is a video entertainment business, it's not insulin or a house. Again, it's a video entertainment site. It is wholly unimportant in reality.

The only power YouTube has is the power society willingly gives it by visiting the website. Society needs to take responsibility for its own browser history.

Upload your video somewhere else on the internet.