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Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Re: Apple Moves Mac Pro Production to China

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Post by Krasnol »

rossdavidh wrote: post #293
throwaway5752 wrote: post #289

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Yes. I wish I hadn't made the comment. I think it's just obvious that certain classes of products and companies that build them that have longer planning cycles Maybe rossdavidh's comment was reasonable in general. But with Apple you have a long term CEO under essentially no pressure for succession. You have product cycles that are going to push two years. You have supply chains that are going to involve dozens or mo…

While I am not suggesting that Tim Cook is in imminent danger, the idea that an Apple CEO does not have to worry about the board yanking him if the numbers go bad is, given Apple's history, in need of some defending. Again, I'm not saying Tim Cook's in danger. But, if Steve Jobs can get fired from Apple, and several CEOs have, I don't know why we would expect that he is immune if Apple stops being profitable. Which,…

Jobs resigned after a coup went wrong. Even with that the board wanted to keep him.

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Post by muzani »

gentran wrote: post #80
muzani wrote: post #32

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Why do you say China is unstable? The US is talking about starting a war, had government shutdown issues recently, and has a president that is abrasive on foreign affairs. UK is dealing with brexit. China may have the issue with HK recently, but to an outsider, they look more stable. Of course, something like Japan or Australia seems better, but China isn't a terrible choice.

I'm not saying China is unstable. My implication was that maybe these massive USA based corporations might see China as more stable for business continuity. I know production is totally different, and understand some of the reasons for moving it to China. While I do not imagine them leaving, what do you think would happen if America lost these massive, global corporations to their biggest rival?

Oh, I see. I interpreted the comment differently, as many others were saying it's done to save money.

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Post by abacadaba »

jimmaswell wrote: post #74
rubbingalcohol wrote: post #43

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It probably explains the at least $4,000 markup between the cost of the hardware and the final price. They've gotta pay those tariffs and pass the losses onto consumers who don't care about spending $6,000 for an 8-core CPU, 32gb of ECC ram, an R580X and 256 SSD. You'd have to be drinking a lot of fucking Kool Aid as any sort of creative professional to think MacOS is worth that premium above alternative tools in eit…

To put the markup into more concrete terms, here's a sample Windows laptop I quickly found around $1000 (the Prime price, normal price is apparently $1400). [0] I'll compare it to the cheapest MBP at $1300. [1] I wish HN markdown had tables. 15.6" 3840 x 2160 vs 13.3" 2560x1600 i7-7700 vs unspecified i5 16GB RAM vs 8GB RAM GTX 1050 vs Intel Iris Plus Graphics 640 256GB SSD+1TB HDD vs 256GB SSD ($800 upcharge for a 1T…

> on the Windows one you'll be able to easily run any game you want and have a much broader software catalog to choose from in general.

The main difference is that macOSX for the most part isn't adware. I still prefer MATE but if linux not your thing for some silly reason it's really the only other viable option.

Edit: Also that laptop is 2lbs heavier than the 13 inch and 1lb heavier than the 15. Not that I'd buy a 15 in. mbp with my own money in any case but they are nice.

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Post by jimmaswell »

abacadaba wrote: post #304
jimmaswell wrote: post #74

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To put the markup into more concrete terms, here's a sample Windows laptop I quickly found around $1000 (the Prime price, normal price is apparently $1400). [0] I'll compare it to the cheapest MBP at $1300. [1] I wish HN markdown had tables. 15.6" 3840 x 2160 vs 13.3" 2560x1600 i7-7700 vs unspecified i5 16GB RAM vs 8GB RAM GTX 1050 vs Intel Iris Plus Graphics 640 256GB SSD+1TB HDD vs 256GB SSD ($800 upcharge for a 1T…

> on the Windows one you'll be able to easily run any game you want and have a much broader software catalog to choose from in general. The main difference is that macOSX for the most part isn't adware. I still prefer MATE but if linux not your thing for some silly reason it's really the only other viable option. Edit: Also that laptop is 2lbs heavier than the 13 inch and 1lb heavier than the 15. Not that I'd buy a 1…

What do you mean, like OSX doesn't show you ads natively? Nothing comparable to seeing app suggestions in the Windows store tiles? Nothing Windows 10 has done to me so far has bothered me. Candy Crush ad in the games tiles in the start menu doesn't bother me.

Unless you mean susceptibility to malware. There's definitely malware that gets onto OSX and it can be harder to remove than on Windows.

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xenocyon wrote: post #285
secondary wrote: post #257

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How is that story demonstrably false? Can you point to an article that demonstrates that?

I've noticed some folks are unhappy with the term 'concentration camp' but academics and historians largely consider it historically accurate: https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-concentrat...

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Post by abacadaba »

jimmaswell wrote: post #305
abacadaba wrote: post #304

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> on the Windows one you'll be able to easily run any game you want and have a much broader software catalog to choose from in general. The main difference is that macOSX for the most part isn't adware. I still prefer MATE but if linux not your thing for some silly reason it's really the only other viable option. Edit: Also that laptop is 2lbs heavier than the 13 inch and 1lb heavier than the 15. Not that I'd buy a 1…

What do you mean, like OSX doesn't show you ads natively? Nothing comparable to seeing app suggestions in the Windows store tiles? Nothing Windows 10 has done to me so far has bothered me. Candy Crush ad in the games tiles in the start menu doesn't bother me. Unless you mean susceptibility to malware. There's definitely malware that gets onto OSX and it can be harder to remove than on Windows.

> Candy Crush ad in the games tiles in the start menu doesn't bother me.

this is where we differ.

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Post by webmobdev »

pfranz wrote: post #269
gentran wrote: post #21

Back in the day, my international economics professor told me corporations will set up, and base their business out of the countries that they see as the most stable. Because of this, it scares me when I see headlines like this, even though it is only production. If anyone has a counterpoint to what he said, I am very interested in hearing it

I'm not surprised. I figured when they announced the Mac Pro would be produced in the US it was a test with a low volume product with high margins. That experiment failed (on many fronts), so they're reverting back to what they do for the rest of their products. Tim Cook has been pretty explicit about why they do production in China and it's not just the cost. What's ironic is that only a week ago reports were that A…

What other reasons are there apart from low cost and lax environment regulations and weak labour laws?

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Post by echaozh »

ngcc_hk wrote: post #254
tomp wrote: post #225

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and winning

Not sure we have. The chief executive just ignore the 1 then 2m walk due to the support of chinese comunust regime. China is strong and cohesive enough the world should be afraid. Raising economically but totalitarian politically justify a strong arm and nasty approach. And any people struggled would be jailed. (Last noble prize winner plus nearly all human rights lawyers.) Be afraid. If you don’t you are playing fir…

Is Macau even with you on this protest? And where do you get the fantasy of democracy or freedom in HK before 1997? How old were you in 1997?

HK may have been prosperous before 1997, but it doesn't mean it was democratic or free. Not ruled by China != democratic and free.

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Post by muzani »

whatshisface wrote: post #48
pinkfoot wrote: post #46

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Have you been following what China does to entire population groups that threaten their stability? Name one country that is more stable for mass production than China? Its just not the leafy vision of stability you had in mind.

Desperately trying to keep stability isn't evidence of stability, it's evidence that the leadership thinks they aren't stable.

Logic may not be sound. A factory owner invests in lowering costs. It doesn't mean that costs aren't already low.

China is investing in increased stability. US assumes they are very stable and thus takes on a lot of destabilizing actions.

So a lot of people deduce that China will be more stable than USA in N years.

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