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Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by mkl »

eb0la wrote: post #293

I can't trust chrome. For me Firefox is not a choice but a necessity. I have to login into too many systems with different credentials and I need NOT to be remembered by the browser even if I happen to forget to put it into private mode. The only time I had to use chrome recently was because I had to login into google cloud and my company just don't support Firefox as a browser option and cannot install firefox.

You can turn off remembering of credentials in Chrome - I always have. It's called "Offer to save passwords" in settings.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by mkl »

esalman wrote: post #277
Lazare wrote: post #59

I switched to Chrome from Firefox years ago because Chrome has a better UX (faster, snappier, cleaner UI). A couple years ago I tried to switch back to Firefox (right after the Quantum project landed, and Firefox was meant to be a lot faster), but found FF to still be bloated, slow, and painful to use. A couple weeks ago I made another try to switch back to FF, and I have found the experience to be very pleasant this…

Containers and privacy are the main reasons I'm hooked to Firefox now. Maybe chrome will get containers too, but there's no point if they are tracking users across containers. But as they are on par in terms of performance I see no reason to switch back to chrome.

Are container tabs reliably preserved across restarts and upgrades now? They're a great idea, but I tried them out a while ago and soon lost a bunch of stuff.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by jonathankoren »

CondensedBrain wrote: post #75
allenleee wrote: post #68

You need to give Brave a chance. I switched to Brave from Chrome and Firefox months ago. No regret. https://brave.com/

I'm going to pass on the browser part owned by the chairman and cofounder of Palantir. I don't trust it for that and other reasons. I don't have the skills or interest to audit and compile every release myself. I don't do it with the browser I do use, but the threat model is different for its maintainers.

Brave’s founder is Brenden Eichman, formerly a long time exec at Mozilla, so it’s at least “complicated”

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by Yetanfou »

nvrspyx wrote: post #91
Yetanfou wrote: post #39

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That is... puzzling. I use Firefox on a 2GB Thinkpad T42p, regularly have 100+ tabs 'open' (as in 'opened in the background' which means it'll start rendering when I actually open the tab) over 2 or 3 active windows and I have never seen it being killed by the OOM killer. It can crawl due to paging but it does not get killed. To me this sounds like you should either add a bit of swap space or tune the OOM killer to b…

If they’re having OOM problems, especially with 32GB of RAM, I’d expect it to start thrashing the swap as it does mine on my Ubuntu box. As much as I like FF, it is not consistent across hardware/OS setups and I imagine it makes it rather difficult for Mozilla to debug as this has been an ongoing problem for years at this point.

More likely there is no swap space defined so that any memory error will trigger the OOM killer.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by esalman »

mkl wrote: post #302
esalman wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Containers and privacy are the main reasons I'm hooked to Firefox now. Maybe chrome will get containers too, but there's no point if they are tracking users across containers. But as they are on par in terms of performance I see no reason to switch back to chrome.

Are container tabs reliably preserved across restarts and upgrades now? They're a great idea, but I tried them out a while ago and soon lost a bunch of stuff.

Yes, they are preserved and it works great.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by dtroode »

edraferi wrote: post #237
dtroode wrote: post #183

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Yes. Sync isn't so good. Now I am going to create a list of FF minuses

I’d be interested to see an analysis of how it compares to Chrome sync. I don’t think Chrome necessarily has a better solution for extension preference syncing, but I only missed it once I went all-in on Firefox containers.

Don't have analytics. Just my experience with bookmarks and passwords is better with Chrome

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by Slashbot »

Firefox ... Mozilla turned its back on what even made Firefox not shit in the first place and that were the powerful addons that were able to be made by third party developers..... now its nothing more than crappy chrome clone in all but the backend, the frontend ux etc is just shit.... because the extensibility you could do with that browser is just the same as using the same shitty garbage web extensions that chrome supports.

really just pathetic.. especially when you consider Vivaldi have actually bothered to make the effort in replicating a lot of the power functionality found in extensions firefox used to have working great before the quantum garbage releases.. and they've just build that on the chromium engine, it remains today the best browser you can use bar none, I've tried dozens including various chinese ones.. they are all fucking shit.

So have mozillidiots done what Vivaldi did and just build in the power extensions, supported enhanced tab functionality they used to get from tabmixplus, mouse gestures etc the list goes I used to have a core of about 20must have addons for firefox, they are all broken and can no longer be made to work on shitting firefox now.. So no those fucking morons at mozzila spend more time ignoring bugzilla reports from the third party developers who made firefox not shit in the first place, they don't even bother implementing the addons they broke...and they think people give a crap about privacy, we all know whatever efforts they say think on that mean shit these days... just fucking pathetic.. firefox just fuck off you conceded the web to shitting google and the assholes that work there.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by edraferi »

yoklov wrote: post #266
edraferi wrote: post #240

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Cool, I’ll dig into this. Would be helpful if the Firefox store made it clear if extensions support this. Also, why do some first-party extensions ignore it?? Also: there are other things sync still misses, like config.

The storage is more limited for synced extension data than for unsynced data. IMO this is quite unfortunate, and is mostly a consequence of the implementation of extension storage sync being done separately from the rest of sync (which in retrospect was a mistake, but at the time that wasn't clear). Also, the limits are copy-pasted directly from the limits chrome places on sync, so it's possible there are compatibili…

Oh that’s pretty cool. I’ll try that.

I just assumed that this behavior would apply to everything once I turned sync on, and then was disappointed when it didn’t work. I had no idea it was an optional feature.

I guess it doesn’t fit the key-value paradigm, but this feature would be a lot more discoverable if there was a “sync?” Attribute next to each about:config item.

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by yoasif_ »

ken wrote: post #118
lkbm wrote: post #49

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> I still use Firefox, but I'm getting more and more irritated against it. I had to search the web in order to change the tile of empty tabs (no buttons, no context menu, only drag-n-drop from bookmarks). Who designed such an unguessable interface? Whenever I hear people complain about the settings being impossible to figure out, I always open them up and try. So I opened settings, which has a search input at the top…

I tried Firefox here just now to see if it's gotten any better since I last tried. I open the preferences window. Well, not quite. Instead of a preferences window like every other application I've ever used, it's some sort of webpage which opens in a new tab in the same window as the webpage I'm browsing. The controls are all completely custom, and the layout looks nothing like any preferences window I've seen since…

> In the search box at top, typing "language" finds nothing, and typing the word for language in the language I'm seeing shows a fancy control with "English (United States)" at the top. There's nothing I see which would indicate why the UI is not English. I google for "how to change firefox ui language", and all the pages I find say to set it here, and restart.

At least for now, you should download the correct language from https://www.mozilla.org/firefox/all/

Re: Give Firefox a chance

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Post by chank »

Lazare wrote: post #59

I switched to Chrome from Firefox years ago because Chrome has a better UX (faster, snappier, cleaner UI). A couple years ago I tried to switch back to Firefox (right after the Quantum project landed, and Firefox was meant to be a lot faster), but found FF to still be bloated, slow, and painful to use. A couple weeks ago I made another try to switch back to FF, and I have found the experience to be very pleasant this…

This kind of post comes up every few weeks here on HN. I also revisit FF every once in a while, last time being when all the news went about Chrome possibly breaking ad-blockers. Chromes UX is still better than FF, IMO.
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