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Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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That's outrageous... 1. RE: FORTRAN. VAX FORTRAN was the most awesome implementation of FORTRAN ever. FORTRAN because these systems didn't have much RAM and CPU power was limited. FORTRAN went into the background for a while when the C fad began in the early 1980s; however, academics cringed at C for reasons that the industry would eventually learn "the hard way" and FORTRAN came back along with a government knee-jer…

>If you weren't a computer scientist (or college student) you weren't even getting a job working on one! This isn't remotely true.

I forgot about the Field Service techs hah. Straight (outta DeVry) programmer analyst types like https://www.denofgeek.com/movies/superman-iii/27817/what-sup... were pretty much considered users in the DEC world. That is, there was a distinction between systems programmers and applications programmers (who might use a DEC-specific forms-management library or a database API but didn't really even necessarily know what model their harmless-to-the-other-users code was running on).

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Hard to detect sarcasm or parody here, but this is a great example of someone condemning the systems which were cheap (or license-free), widely available, worked well enough for most people, and provided huge benefits to millions, because it doesn't comply with his own narrow view of how it should be done. > If you weren't a computer scientist (or college student) you weren't even getting a job working on one! Exactl…

I knew guys who ran VMS systems out of their homes, back in the 90's. It was fairly accessible.

I have a friend who converted a coat closet in his house into a datacenter large enough for a MicroVAX II with air-conditioning. He had run terminal lines to every room in the house to plug-in VTs. That said, he had a legit reason for doing it. Basically writing code 24x7 a day for his customers in those pre-laptop days.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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Hah. I've forgotten. Retrocomputing is just a hobby of mind. It's fun to play around with those old systems.

As near as I could ever find, the format of a VMS executable file did not appear in the DEC manuals. I meant that as a commentary on the "VMS had great docs" sentiment. At one point, I was convinced that understanding the format of an executable file (a.out, COFF, XCOFF, Mach-O, ELF, .com, .exe, PE, etc) was important to understanding the operating system itself. I spent a fair amount of effort and some money buying…

It did, sigh. It was in the LINK'ER documentation. RSX/VMS was all about object modules being shared between concurrently running applications in separate user spaces (because RAM was crazy expensive and DISK was crazy slow and expensive).

The format for runtime libraries, executables and memory-mapped sections in general descended from the PDP11 a bit and I believe it changed radically (for the first time in decades) with the introduction of the 64-bit Alpha architecture under "Open"VMS.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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That's outrageous... 1. RE: FORTRAN. VAX FORTRAN was the most awesome implementation of FORTRAN ever. FORTRAN because these systems didn't have much RAM and CPU power was limited. FORTRAN went into the background for a while when the C fad began in the early 1980s; however, academics cringed at C for reasons that the industry would eventually learn "the hard way" and FORTRAN came back along with a government knee-jer…

>If you weren't a computer scientist (or college student) you weren't even getting a job working on one! This isn't remotely true.

Agreed. Our high-school had a microVAX for back Office. 100% bespoke software in COBOL, replete with a FTE software engineer. High school me learned COBOL and helped out at lunchtimes / after school (it was boarding school near the equator - so an air conditioned VAX room was wonderful!) Got a free place in uni for my trouble :-)

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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post #138

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That's outrageous... 1. RE: FORTRAN. VAX FORTRAN was the most awesome implementation of FORTRAN ever. FORTRAN because these systems didn't have much RAM and CPU power was limited. FORTRAN went into the background for a while when the C fad began in the early 1980s; however, academics cringed at C for reasons that the industry would eventually learn "the hard way" and FORTRAN came back along with a government knee-jer…

Bless Your Heart. BTW, this will give you the warm fuzzies: https://www.vmssoftware.com/updates_port.html

In your shoes, I would ask Larry Ellison to acquire you and then boot it on a MacPro 7,1 to be released with every layered application that DEC ever sold, plus ORACLE for VMS and the whole documentation suite on readthedocs --oh and a VSL (sort of like WSL2 in Windows10) with one of the nicer window managers from the Linux world. I know his current plan is to take on Werner's cloud but he doesn't have enough heartbeats left to see that through, whereas this plan legitimately does for ORACLE what buying Next Inc. (and switching to Intel processors) did for/to Apple. Peace.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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post #138

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That's outrageous... 1. RE: FORTRAN. VAX FORTRAN was the most awesome implementation of FORTRAN ever. FORTRAN because these systems didn't have much RAM and CPU power was limited. FORTRAN went into the background for a while when the C fad began in the early 1980s; however, academics cringed at C for reasons that the industry would eventually learn "the hard way" and FORTRAN came back along with a government knee-jer…

Hard to detect sarcasm or parody here, but this is a great example of someone condemning the systems which were cheap (or license-free), widely available, worked well enough for most people, and provided huge benefits to millions, because it doesn't comply with his own narrow view of how it should be done. > If you weren't a computer scientist (or college student) you weren't even getting a job working on one! Exactl…

> example of someone condemning the systems which were cheap (or license-free), widely available

Right!

> , worked well enough for most people

Well, with a mouse click, the Chinese can cause most of the self-balancing mobility devices (scooters, etc.) within a few miles of all military bases and schools to turn off while doing 10-20mph down the street (thus seriously injuring the rider). Goin' be tough to fight a war with ripped up ACL/MCLs and broken bones! 100% of the technology came from the fruit of Richard Stallman's religion.

Can't feel me? Okay, how about if you work for the federal government or have a credit file in the United States (or much of Europe) and all of your financial information is stolen so that the data can now be used to kill your family (either literally or financially) if you don't give them something they know you have and that want (or maybe even if you do!).

So I respectfully disagree with "well enough for most people" because impressionable tech kids didn't know any better ("everybody is doing it") and were convinced to give away their advanced technology over the Internet to people who can't or shouldn't handle it because they want to kill us (literally or financially), aren't trusted and/or don't have the proper education.

Fortunately the passage of time heals all wounds and much that free software movement was really just a bunch of knock-offs of truly new art that was created by companies that have been drifting "sideways" lately (since their founders left) and that's given the governments (barely) enough time to catch up. Soon, code will have to (by platform regulation and eventually federal law) be signed by a third-party before it can run on some unsuspecting user or business' computing platform. But also, there are the Amazing and Wonderful Services that are scooping up all of the millions of would-be idiot developers and subsidizing their lack of educations to ensure that they don't get into too much trouble (and to quickly identify and neutralize them if they are trouble). There's such a demand for this service that they're able to use the revenue to fund a fleet of friggin' spaceships and deep sea exploration platforms.

> his own narrow view of how it should be done

Right again! But note that narrow views coming from some people are far better than the consensus of many people. I know that breaks Star Trek or something, but it happens to be how American business works, for example.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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I knew guys who ran VMS systems out of their homes, back in the 90's. It was fairly accessible.

I have a friend who converted a coat closet in his house into a datacenter large enough for a MicroVAX II with air-conditioning. He had run terminal lines to every room in the house to plug-in VTs. That said, he had a legit reason for doing it. Basically writing code 24x7 a day for his customers in those pre-laptop days.

Cool! I'm looking to pick up a VAX or AlphaStation on EBay.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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You should apply, and demand an insanely-high salary while pointing out that almost no one has VAX experience now.

When we retired my wife and I fled Atlanta at top speed. I don't know if the job is in Marietta, GA or Ft. Worth (the job listing seems to have disappeared) but I doubt if even an insanely high salary could get us to move to either of those locations.

A friend of mine worked for general dynamics in ft worth years and years ago and I went and visited him.

I was struck by all the apartment complexes that did not live up to their name. They were not complex at all, they were... simple (simplex?).

The apartment buildings were designed like children draw houses, sort of like shoeboxes. They had pitched roofs and rows of identically spaced windows maybe 20 wide and 3 or more stories tall. Giant parking lots to match each building.

To be clear, it was probably affordable housing, and I don't know if it's still like that, but it lacked character.

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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ECC doesn't help when you have an EMP caused by an atmospheric nuclear detonation. Those are the kinds of things the design has to consider.

But wouldn't that fuck up the processors as well as memory anyway?

Depends if the vacuum tubes are shielded. ;)

Re: Lockheed has an opening for engineers with VAX experience for the F22

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The same technology was very successfully used to fly to the moon. Cores aren’t so much suspended when they are wholly embedded in epoxy.

Stupid question, but the cores don't physically flip, do they? It's a purely electrical thing?

I think it's just clockwise vs counterclockwise.
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