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Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by JohnFen »

judge2020 wrote: post #38
scrollaway wrote: post #14

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

> You know what would be an actual story though? If Google used Google DNS to spy on people. this. I highly doubt Google is actually using DNS for tracking or connecting queries to someone's account, especially when they say they don't [1]. Many people say "use Cloudflare DNS if you're worried about privacy", but Google effectively makes the same claim as Cloudflare that they don't use DNS to track you. The only plus…

> I highly doubt Google is actually using DNS for tracking or connecting queries to someone's account, especially when they say they don't

Why do you doubt it? This behavior would be consistent with Google's behavior generally.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by peterwwillis »

scrollaway wrote: post #14

I'm always shocked at how easy it is for people to fall into the "Google is evil!!1" trap on such trivial stuff (and funnily enough, much more serious privacy issues related to Google are ignored/downvoted). Hardcoded DNS servers are common. Extremely common in a bunch of IOT devices, given how broken some ISPs are. This is a non-story and the only reason it's being upvoted is because Google is doing it, and they als…

> If Google used Google DNS to spy on people

It's not "spying". Google DNS just "monetizes data sent through Google servers". Like they do with Chrome Data Saver, or Amp, or Calendar, or Contacts, or Voice, or GKeyboard, or Photos, or Maps, or Gmail, or Search, or...

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by JohnFen »

joshuamorton wrote: post #142
lelf wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If Google used Google DNS to spy on people Are you seriously thinking they don't store/analyse/use that kind of information??? (That's every site you visit, at minimum.)

Yes. They don't. They guarantee they don't. The spooky answer is they don't need it.

> They guarantee they don't.

They claim that they don't. You have no way of knowing if they're lying or not, though, so it boils down to "do you trust Google?"

You do, and that's fair. I don't, and that's also fair.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by mrweasel »

ChuckMcM wrote: post #296

Gotta love Paul's approach. Amazing to see things that break when you run a black hole DNS server on your inside network. I have a Samsung TV that won't complete boot until it has verified there aren't any firmware updates at Samsung. I finally resorted to copying the http response traffic and having an a bit of code on my RasPi return it when the TV asks (it says "no new firmware for you"). Of course these sorts of…

The extend to which modern appliances feel a need to be internet connected is getting ridicules. My TV isn't going to be internet connected, even if it's able to. It simply have no reason to.

Smart TVs in particular should not be a thing. The TV manufactures have proven themself incapable of writing and maintaining software, so at this point they should accept defeat and just produce the TVs with enough HDMI connections.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by Tsubasachan »

reaperducer wrote: post #188
calibas wrote: post #170

This should bother people here more than it does. The last thing the Internet needs is even more dependence upon Google. They've made it quite clear through their actions that they're not supporters of a free and open Internet: https://theintercept.com/2018/09/14/google-china-prototype-l... If people don't push back against these kinds of things, Google will continue to abuse their power. There shouldn't be an army o…

The last thing the Internet needs is even more dependence upon Google Watching Big G's actions over the last few years, I've sometimes wondered if it's laying the groundwork to fork the internet. People talk about China and Russia's actions balkanizing the internet. But I have a sense that Google could do it, as well, and bring us back to the days when people didn't know the difference between the real internet and A…

Just see how many websites use Google analytics.

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by saalweachter »

manyxcxi wrote: post #57
judge2020 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> You know what would be an actual story though? If Google used Google DNS to spy on people. this. I highly doubt Google is actually using DNS for tracking or connecting queries to someone's account, especially when they say they don't [1]. Many people say "use Cloudflare DNS if you're worried about privacy", but Google effectively makes the same claim as Cloudflare that they don't use DNS to track you. The only plus…

CloudFlare makes their money differently than Google though. Google wants figure out how to most efficiently put other people’s ads in front of me, and to sell my attention for the most value. Even if they have absolutely no ulterior motives (evil or otherwise), Google’s business is one such that they have every motive to abuse my privacy for their own gain. CloudFlare doesn’t make their money off of brokering my att…

Why do you think CloudFlare has less incentive to sell your data than Google?

Both CloudFlare and Google are for-profit corporations which want to take actions to maximize their profits. Insomuch as they are profit maximizing, we should expect them to take actions where the expected gain is greater than the expected cost, and to prioritize actions which have the maximum gain over actions which are only barely profitable.

If the cost -- in terms of extra labor and reputation if the data-selling becomes public -- is estimated to be less than people are willing to pay for the data, why would any profit-seeking corporation choose not to sell your data?

We can't trust companies not to sell poisoned food, even though that's a huge reputational hit. We can't trust companies manufacturing herbal, vitamin or nutritional supplements to actually put the herb, vitamin or nutritional factor they claim they are in the bottles they sell. We can't trust the makers of USB cables to produce cables that actually meet the USB specifications. Why should we believe that any corporation, regardless of whether or not you pay them for their goods and services, would leave the money to be made selling your data on the table, even if there's a potential reputational hit if the practice becomes public?

Re: My Chromecast Ultra would not start until I began answering 8.8.8.8

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Post by diminoten »

calibas wrote: post #170

This should bother people here more than it does. The last thing the Internet needs is even more dependence upon Google. They've made it quite clear through their actions that they're not supporters of a free and open Internet: https://theintercept.com/2018/09/14/google-china-prototype-l... If people don't push back against these kinds of things, Google will continue to abuse their power. There shouldn't be an army o…

Yes, because doing one bad thing erases all good you've ever done...
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