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Re: Want to Stop Fake News? Pay for the Real Thing

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Post by ams6110 »

Aeolun wrote: post #229
NeedMoreTea wrote: post #128

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Exactly. There was a very famous image of the UK miner's strike, at the battle of Orgreave, 1984. Another photographer captured the same scene that day. They give a very different impression. Both images compared: https://www.theguardian.com/artanddesign/2018/dec/06/photogr...

I don’t get why people fall over themselves to point out the differences in these images. They both seems fairly neural to me. It’s just that one doesn’t give much context, it’s just a miner.

Another problem with that example, at least for me, is that it is not apparent who is looking at who. It's a two dimensional photo and the depth of field is enough that you can't really tell which cop the miner is looking at.

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Post by funkythings »

Oh really? Will it stop fake news about the Covington Highschool kids? Sure, they were no angels, but most articles were simply wrong for stating they harassed the native american guy. He went into their crowd. Furthermore, the black israelistes were completely ignored, even though they said the most horrendous thigns that entire day.

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Post by nailer »

TarpitCarnivore wrote: post #284
nailer wrote: post #202

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> It's not clear that even reputed newspapers like NYTimes/WaPo produce quality content consistently. Example: Washington Post pushed the "Covington boys surround and intimidate native man" narrative that's been completely shattered by about 200 hours of video footage in the last week, and led to Twitter disabling the account that spread it, refutations (oddly enough from the NYT) and various apologies from those who…

That story is a perfect example of perception of a situation and how people view it in many ways. While you say the narrative is wrong, many feel the narrative was right.

No. Not at all.

Either the children surrounded the man and one boy stood threateningly close (as the Washington Post reorted at https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/01/20/it-was-gett...), or this did not happen.

As it turns out (Bari Weiss at the NYT viewed over 200 hours of footage) this did not happen. The man moved into the middle of the boys and stood very close to one of them. You can watch this from multiple angles and multiple cameras on YouTube and confirm this for yourself. David Brooks in the NYT also has an excellent summary: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/01/21/opinion/covington-march-f...

Reality is not a matter of perception.

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Post by api »

bayulxc5 wrote: post #298
pjc50 wrote: post #244

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Reporting on this reporting: https://www.indy100.com/article/sweden-trip-crowdfunded-righ... The question is, has he remained independent from his decidedly partial funder?

Do you have any proof that he didn't remain independent, or you just want to stir the pot? All I can see in that link is a newspaper saying "this guy got donations by someone we don't like, so he must be lying". I see it's all video in that investigation, do the videos look like they've been manipulated?

I've found that for issues that are this extremely politically polarized and where there is this much misinformation floating around, the only way to really know would be to buy a plane ticket and go there. You can't trust any source.

A bit of a tangent but: this is how you keep secrets in the Information Age. You can't actually keep a secret, but you can fog up the air with so much competing nonsense that nobody knows what to believe and the secret is indistinguishable from noise.

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Post by NLips »

Lio wrote: post #182
clappski wrote: post #178

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Do you have any sources for what you’re saying? Specifically for your third paragraph.

Yes. Here is a report from OFCOM itself about a talk given by Ms White on the subject of diversity and how OFCOM can support a “positive change” agenda. [1] Here are details of Project Diamond a programme to enforce and monitor Ms White’s diversity agenda across the industry [2] Also [3] where Ms White speaks about punishing the BBC for not meeting her requested standards. [1] https://www.ofcom.org.uk/about-ofcom/lat…

You haven't at all backed up the assertion that the BBC are "under _specific_ instructions...to drop impartiality and implement a social justice agenda" (emphasis mine). You provided evidence that the regulator has demanded that they hire and air a more representative mix of gender, ethnic background etc.

Nowhere above has OFCOM directed the BBC to air different opinions. Regarding the Today programme example: Deliberately featuring a female (rather than male) climate science expert after featuring a male vaccination expert is entirely orthogonal to impartiality.

[EDIT:] I'm not specifically arguing that the BBC has no bias. I'm saying you haven't demonstrated that OFCOM have demanded a bias.

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Post by subpixel »

The local news angle here is particularly important - it's the weakest link in our information chain and it decides elections.

I'm a broken record on this, but I think Craigslist should connect local classified services to a new local journalism project. DNA Info is dead now, but if there were 500 DNA Infos, with reporting funded handsomely from Craigslist revenues, we could really fight against fake news from the bottom up.

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Post by therealforsen »

The issue with most news outlets is that they're either mainstream ones that are liberal echo chambers, or conservative upstarts which reactively go just as far in the other direction. Imagine a news organization where every level of every department had to have a 50/50 split between registered Republicans and Democrats. I think that would prevent bias from overrunning the outlets like it has today.

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Post by ytNumbers »

dhimes wrote: post #276
api wrote: post #113

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Maybe journalists should go out on their own via Patreon etc.?

There has also been at least one attempt at a site that facilitated this: pay the journalist you want to follow. It didn't take.

I'd love to find out which startups attempted this. I guess the network effects of YouTube/Patreon were simply too big for them to overcome.
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