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Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by michaelmrose »

cletus wrote: post #278
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

Microsoft only releases it on one OS. so if you happen to use a Mac or Linux you need another browser. Chrome and Firefox are the only viable options. Also Microsoft are victims of their own legacy, namely what they did with Internet Explorer. Changing the box model, not adopting standards, not fixing bugs, causing no end of headaches for people having to support IE and so on. Trust needs to be earned. Apple had the…

In 2018 in a real OS (linux) it shows up along with all the other updates in a central gui for updating your OS that depending on your flavor may notify you of available updates for example by incriminating the number in a tray icon but never forces you to install except when it is convenient for you.

If you install locally. Example downloading the nightly build to a local dir or installing in windows you may receive notifications of a new version when you open it but you can safely dismiss them with one click and update next Thursday if you like. At no point will it decide that its time whether you like it or not like windows update.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by mehrdadn »

badminton1 wrote: post #223
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

It was a bad decision to make the logo similar to Internet Explorer, that alone is enough reason to not use it. They can change the tech as much as they want. They can hire armies of engineers and make the browser 1000% faster than Chrome... but if they reuse the stupid logo it will fail again, and again, and again until they give up and forget that logo ever existed.

To be honest I thought changing the logo made sense since I didn't really believe they built an entirely new browser. Despite all the press about the core being somehow different I figured it must still share a lot of code (and I wasn't the only one [1])...

[1] https://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-edge-hit-by-many-of-...

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by vitorgrs »

ulfw wrote: post #240
baggsie wrote: post #202

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The same way you test safari on a Win or Linux machine?

Safari runs on iOS (iPhones, iPads) too. Huge installed base. The same can't be said about Windows Phones

You are saying like if almost 1 billion of WIndows 10 users aren't huge installed base?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by om2 »

c-smile wrote: post #75
saagarjha wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Blink was forked a long time ago–do they still share patches?

Patches is not the only mechanism to keep code in sync. For two engines forked from the same source (same architecture and even same code tree structure) it is relatively easy to copy/paste feature implementation, no?

In theory maybe, but in practice we rarely do. Sometimes even when the idea is pretty clear, like WebKit's CSS JIT, it's not that easy to copy because of underlying assumptions.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by swalladge »

TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspects of performance (initial load time, ui responsiveness, web site responsiveness) are terribly slow.

I applaud the death of IE and Edge. One thing I'm worried about though is that Chromium may take over the market and we end up with websites working only in Chromium based browsers and other important browsers like Firefox and Safari get left in the dirt.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by connicpu »

xg15 wrote: post #264
err4nt wrote: post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People in web standards community kind of anticipate browsers (there are 4 main browsers now) eventually kind of consolidating down to 2 engines. This seems like a step in that direction. Who knows, Safari might be next :D

Interesting. What is the other engine?

At least Firefox has no intentions of throwing in the towel and adopting webkit/blink yet

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by paperpunk »

vitorgrs wrote: post #303
ulfw wrote: post #240

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Safari runs on iOS (iPhones, iPads) too. Huge installed base. The same can't be said about Windows Phones

You are saying like if almost 1 billion of WIndows 10 users aren't huge installed base?

Well they don't all use Edge. The majority of them use Chrome!

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by watersb »

Torwald wrote: post #231
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

I don't test for browsers. I test for web standards.

web standards encompass a vast collection of specifications. It is reasonable to expect implementations to diverge.

Then there is the rapid adoption of mobile platforms, which have become mass-market while at the same time evolving very rapidly, new versions every year. The result is a dispersive medium, a combinatoric sea of browsers, iOS and Android versions, and a crazy variety of form factors.

Simply attempting to adhere to web standards is not sufficient.

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by zingmars »

Torwald wrote: post #231
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

I don't test for browsers. I test for web standards.

So you've never actually shipped a product?

Re: Microsoft is building a Chromium browser to replace Edge on Windows 10

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Post by headmelted »

swalladge wrote: post #305
TanakaTarou wrote: post #183

What other options do they have? Even on HN you hear "I use Egde to download Chrome". Many of you here don't test your own work in Edge. At the same time Microsoft is getting the heat that Windows 10 is unstable and the last major update shows that it is. Very urgently, I imagine, Microsoft is trying to change the perception of Windows 10 by doing everything they can to make it more stable. Changing the browser engin…

No, I tell my friends and family to use Firefox. There is more than one decent browser out there. I don't like the idea of everything using the Chromium engine; monoculture _is_ bad and we shouldn't put our eggs in the one basket. That said, IE and Edge have historically been terrible both compatibility and performance-wise. It's not just websites that aren't tested in Edge - my experience with Edge is that all aspec…

It's not really better though - having only two real browsers is not good for open standards or the open web.

This will be especially true when Firefox inevitably shutters it's in-house efforts in a couple of years due to the amount of sites that won't work with it, and starts using Chromium too.

Staring into my crystal ball tells me Firefox will become "janky" in the eyes of users on account of how many sites don't load on it like they do Chromium (because developers will only test on the most popular browser, because THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS LITERALLY EVERY TIME).

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