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The last thing libraries need is Silicon Valley “disruption.”

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Never mind that there's an app that combines social media and...a payment service.

I would say using Venmo is different but the idea that a social network could be built around a p2p payment service works surprisingly better than it has any right to. https://soundcloud.com/replyall/4-follow-the-money

It's the idea that P2P payments are PUBLIC BY DEFAULT on "social media" platform and what that says about people's idea of what privacy is.

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> having a sense of civic duty and community vs. not A sense of civic duty? These words sounds like they are from another period. I think this is low in the mindshare of the population of many western countries. As a society we're mostly concerned with personal progress, social influence and monetisation.

Community died some time in the 1980s with the rise of "loads of money", and famous politicians stating "there's no such thing as society any more". It used to be that people would make a living then give something back in later life - either public service such as becoming a politician or joining one of the many societies like the Rotary Club that performs philanthropic acts. Now politics is a career, philanthropy i…

People get shadowbanned on HN for using the the term that describes this phenomenon: neoliberalism. It’s exactly that: eroding of civil society while pushing the ideology that you can (and should) monetize everything. A sad development might I say.

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I sympathize with the author. My nonprofit is working with our local library to provide coding bootcamp for anyone who wants to learn (for free). We've been piloting for 3 months in San Jose and the whole experience has been very eyeopening to me. One of our students, Mani, couldn't afford a laptop. He would go to the library when it opens to work on a website and hopes that he could one day make ad revenue. He was a…

Thank you for linking to the Forbes piece. It's interesting that once deleted, it would have been impossible to read without the efforts of the good people at archive.org. It's interesting that deleting the op-ed effectively demonstrates another great value of libraries. Without them, the copyright holders can make it almost impossible to view anything they'd prefer you not see, even right in the middle of a public debate around said work.

The op-ed itself is also chillingly corporate-elitist, while simultaneously being childish. Let them eat cake and drink Starbucks.

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Last time I read a library-related discussion on HN, one of the sentiments expressed was basically ”I download ebooks, why would anyone need a library?” Boggles the mind. There was also a bizarre comment about libraries being only funded to keep a bunch of otherwise useless civil servants employed.

Let me steelman that argument. Libraries were invented because information was only available on printed (or hand written) books, which were very expensive and scarce resources. Now information can be available almost literally for free and instantly, to anywhere. If the institutional inertia of libraries didn't exist today, would they really be invented as they are? https://wiki.lesswrong.com/wiki/Steel_man

Downloading e-books etc. at a minimum requires a device and knowledge of how to use that device. Libraries are intended to provide information to everyone.

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Libraries cache significant bits of history, especially local history. This history conatins source material not found anywhere else. The Internet is amazing, but Internet companies have no incentive to retain our history in perpetuity. All others benefits aside, this is enough to justify libraries in every community.

There are tons of documents relevant to the local community that have no home but the local library, yet might be tremendously valuable for those who have roots there. Libraries are an essential community staple.

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When I was a young child, the library was a place for me to go to sit on a beanbag and read childrens books for hours while my mom studied for her masters degree. Now 2/3 of library patrons are homeless or struggling with addiction, and some parents may not wish to leave their children unattended in such an environment. I don't think Amazon has the answers but I see a natural tension between welcoming vagrants and ma…

That was a downside of the angle this article took. It makes the case for libraries on the grounds that they offer a place for addicts and homeless to be safe and sheltered and get basic support in accessing services. That's valuable, but it makes a library sound like a place where social workers deal with poverty and other social ills and field questions about how and where to get help. And while many people would s…

I am 100% in favor of public libraries, and I think that the ones we have are too ill stocked, particularly in their classics sections. Necessarily, I am in favor of increasing funding.

However, my response to this article was "Let's just get rid of the things." An unsafe library is a useless one.

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If libraries are so good, why students in US pay fortunes for books they need for studying?

Because the students judge the utility of having a textbook available as worth the price (or in some cases the text books come with a code that you have to have to pass the class). Same reason a book collector may prefer buying a book over checking it out at the library.

It is like asking if cooking for for yourself is so cheap and healthy, why do people eat out so much.

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Community died some time in the 1980s with the rise of "loads of money", and famous politicians stating "there's no such thing as society any more". It used to be that people would make a living then give something back in later life - either public service such as becoming a politician or joining one of the many societies like the Rotary Club that performs philanthropic acts. Now politics is a career, philanthropy i…

People get shadowbanned on HN for using the the term that describes this phenomenon: neoliberalism. It’s exactly that: eroding of civil society while pushing the ideology that you can (and should) monetize everything. A sad development might I say.

>People get shadowbanned on HN for using the the term that describes this phenomenon: neoliberalism.

Nobody gets shadowbanned on HN for using the term neoliberalism[0].

I'm going to guess from the age of your account that you had a former account which was banned, and I would bet money that using the word "neoliberalism" was not the cause of it.

[0]https://hn.algolia.com/?query=neoliberalism

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I sympathize with the author. My nonprofit is working with our local library to provide coding bootcamp for anyone who wants to learn (for free). We've been piloting for 3 months in San Jose and the whole experience has been very eyeopening to me. One of our students, Mani, couldn't afford a laptop. He would go to the library when it opens to work on a website and hopes that he could one day make ad revenue. He was a…

"...one of the few places left that doesn't try to sell you something." I think this is hugely important. The library is a third space that doesn't require spending money.

This is really important - Starbuck's (mostly successful) attempts to become the central third space in city centers is almost definitely leading to class divides.

Libraries are one of the few refuges left.

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I did research before the internet had all this content. I lived on the east coast, so it was possible for me to take a day trip to the LOC. there I could spent all day and a sackful of dimes to execute 4-5 cycles of following references before they shut down for the night. then carry my box full of photocopies with oddly clipped margins back to my office for digestion. so sure, that sucked in comparison, but no one…

I agree with you about the tracking/monetization problem. My first comment was just about cost and (spatial/temporal) availability, in response to the parent.

Depends on where you live, really.

The main city library is like a 10 minute walk -- though I don't like to walk so I ride my bike when I want to go up there. Costs me zero dollars to get there and library cards are free for everyone in the county.

Admittedly...I chose to live not in the suburbs so pretty much everything I need is a bike ride away.

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