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Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Re: Intel CEO resigns after relationship with employee

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Post by tw04 »

daxorid wrote: post #174
tw04 wrote: post #165

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Like the insider trading thing that somehow never was investigated?

You don't get investigated or railroaded for insider trading if you do what the NSA/CIA/FBI tells you to do. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Nacchio Covert access to IME may have saved Krzanich's bacon.

Was literally thinking the exact same thing. It's a travesty that wrong was never fixed. All those qwest employees got completely screwed so that the government could make a point that nobody is untouchable.

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Post by chemmail »

mastax wrote: post #158
ansible wrote: post #138

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> Intel is in serious trouble right now. The whole semiconductor industry is in trouble right now, though few seem to feel the weight of the issue. We are looking at just a couple process nodes at best before we reach the end of the road for silicon lithography. Sure, there will be further tweaks on existing techniques which will squeeze out small improvements in power, performance and density. But long gone are the…

I don't disagree with the wider point but > I could replace my 6-year old Intel i7-3770 desktop with 32GB of RAM, but what's out there that's significantly better at a reasonable cost? AMD Ryzen 7 1700 for $200. ~10% faster single core and you get 8C/16T. DDR4 RAM is quite expensive, though. (closest available benchmarks, 1700 is about 3% slower than 2700) [0]: https://www.anandtech.com/bench/product/2111 [1]: https:…

Newegg had the 1700 for an insane $159 today.

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Post by rurban »

tfha wrote: post #86
marcus_holmes wrote: post #18

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A relationship between a manager and someone they manage compromises the effectiveness of both the manager and the team. As CEO, he is everyone's boss, so having a consensual relationship with anyone involved in the organisation is a bad thing. If she got promoted, would it be because of her work, or her relationship with the boss? If she didn't get promoted, would it be because of her attitude, or her relationship w…

You can ask those same questions about any attractive person or any person with powerful family members. Does that mean we can't employ those people either? Of course not. If a manager runs a tight ship and treats their team fairly, then there shouldn't be anything wrong with a relationship. If as a manager you can't properly separate your emotions and friendships from your management duties, you aren't going to make…

Exactly. There are many successful cases of teachers, where their own kids are sitting in their classes.

According to the CEO logic this should not be allowed and would not work. It does. Are teachers better managers than CEO's? Apparently. But then they should get paid accordingly.

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Post by DoreenMichele »

mmt wrote: post #298
DoreenMichele wrote: post #272

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The problem is that if you are the CEO, you don't have any "coworkers." You are in charge of everyone. No one else there is your peer. The military has a policy that treats an affair between an officer and the spouse of someone in their unit as non-consensual. It is treated basically like statutory rape. What the spouse says is irrelevant because you can't eliminate the possibility they are basically being blackmaile…

> In some cases, I have some sympathy for the guy who may well have not really fully understood the intimidation factor in the situation. In other cases, they clearly are happy to use their power to bully others into getting their way and, no, I'm not sympathetic to their bullshit claims. How would a neutral third-party observer legitimately be able to tell the difference (assuming the latter is a sociopath or just a…

I'm not pretending to be judge and jury, just a human being who has opinions when I read or hear about things. Not all situations are as cut and dried as "He was the CEO, she was an underling and there was some rule against it."

Also, I wasn't solely thinking of cases where I am a third party observer.

I'm a woman. I've found myself at times the subject of male interest where there was a power imbalance. Some men are assholes and I have no sympathy for their shit. In other cases, it's more complicated than that.

And I was defending the existence of such rules, so I have no idea why you are criticizing my remark.

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Post by mmt »

DoreenMichele wrote: post #305
mmt wrote: post #298

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> In some cases, I have some sympathy for the guy who may well have not really fully understood the intimidation factor in the situation. In other cases, they clearly are happy to use their power to bully others into getting their way and, no, I'm not sympathetic to their bullshit claims. How would a neutral third-party observer legitimately be able to tell the difference (assuming the latter is a sociopath or just a…

I'm not pretending to be judge and jury, just a human being who has opinions when I read or hear about things. Not all situations are as cut and dried as "He was the CEO, she was an underling and there was some rule against it." Also, I wasn't solely thinking of cases where I am a third party observer. I'm a woman. I've found myself at times the subject of male interest where there was a power imbalance. Some men are…

> And I was defending the existence of such rules, so I have no idea why you are criticizing my remark.

I wish you had followed the guidelines and taken the most charitable reading of what I said.

I, too, defended the existence of the rules. Not only was I not criticizing your remark, but I was supporting the existence of the remark, as it's a form of discussion that helps raise awareness of the necessity of the rules.

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Post by mindcrime »

marcus_holmes wrote: post #18
sbinthree wrote: post #5

There is no way you would fire a CEO you actually wanted in place because they had a consensual relationship with a subordinate in the past . Why are US companies always so aggressive about moralising these issues? No one would take issue if he carried a gun at work. Why is it that corporate morals rule?

A relationship between a manager and someone they manage compromises the effectiveness of both the manager and the team. As CEO, he is everyone's boss, so having a consensual relationship with anyone involved in the organisation is a bad thing. If she got promoted, would it be because of her work, or her relationship with the boss? If she didn't get promoted, would it be because of her attitude, or her relationship w…

what other basic mistakes is he going to make? Bring a gun into work? ;)

Why would you think that bringing a gun to work is a "mistake"? Does one's right to self-defense stop the moment they cross the threshold of their office door?

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Post by mindcrime »

kbar13 wrote: post #225
jgalar wrote: post #166

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Then why not ban friendships in the workplace? Surely they could result in the same kind of perceived biases (e.g. cliques).

surely you can list the differences between a romantic / physical relationship and a purely platonic one and understand why it is bad when it comes to imbalances in power right?

Both kinds of relationships can lead to power imbalances though. There's nothing special about a romantic/physical relationship in that regard. One can promote their (same sex, platonic) buddy for being their buddy, just as easily as they can promote their girlfriend/boyfriend.
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