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Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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post #289

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DMCA is capped at what, $30k per violation? There are obvious ways to avoid it, and the law has settled down. GDPR is capped at $20+ million, no one knows what a typical fine looks like, the law is much harder to read, and everyone is afraid to be made an example of.

Its predecessor regulation capped fines at around $750k. Guess how many were levied at or near the maximum? Zero. The only large fines were for serious, deliberate abuses, such as a group maintaining a secret blacklist of construction employees. This isn't like the massive fines from US regulators on foreign companies. The rules say that fines should be proportionate to the scale of the breach and the harm caused. Th…

When a new law is enacted, it's not prudent analysis to assume anything about how it will be enforced based on the previous law, especially not when fines were increased 25x - GDPR is not a minor clarification of a few bits and pieces, it's a whole new thing. The previous law was specifically criticised for having no teeth, and the new law has specifically been highlighted for it's new teeth. Of course it's possible that regulators will just sit on their hands, it's just not very likely.

The only reasonable assumption is that those new teeth will be tried out, and whoever they will be tried out on first will have a bad time. Do not assume that the first cases will be Google and Facebook, the regulators aren't stupid enough to try their luck first on the two organisations that has spend the most on being technically compliant, and has bottomless warchests to fight it.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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post #33

I don't know why all these websites are shutting down due to GDPR when all you have to do is hire a competent law firm with GDPR compliance expertise to review your software and help you determine if any parts need to change to become compliant and also help you address any GDPR requests.

In its majestic equality, the law forbids rich and poor alike to sleep under bridges, beg in the streets and steal loaves of bread or violate the GDPR. -- Anatole France (I might have edited that quote slightly)

OMG this is perfect! I'm so stealing this quote. It applies to so much it's scary.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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If you make money from EU users and are US based you need to be GDPR compliant or they will target you through payment processors and ad networks. If you don't make money from EU users and don't want to be GDPR compliant you should probably just shut them off if you ever want to operate in the EU in the future

So you admit that GDPR is really just a trade barrier.

No it applies to any organization offering data services/web sites to EU residents, including authorities.

GDPR is only a regulation stating more explicitly what you're required (and were always required) to do for compliance with EU privacy laws. It obviously was needed since privacy violation has become so blatant. The GDPR legislation has been a long time in the making. It might be the case that privacy in Europe is being valued more than elsewhere in the world, I don't really know, but it's nothing new at all. For example, in Switzerland (not in EU but certainly with humanist and very old democratic and civil rights traditions) privacy in the form of banking secrecy is held in even higher esteem.

Yes, as a collateral effect, some business models might not work in EU any longer, or not to the extent they used to (though ads and affiliation links had been on a race to the bottom anyway). But I'd say that's a win, or can be turned into a net benefit. Think about what the Web has become in the last 10-15 years. We still don't have reasonable micropayments, and nobody wants paywalls anyway, etc. The result has been the rise of "platforms" and monopolies where the user's data and attention is the product, with publishers of quality, nuanced content struggling or going out of business. While you of course don't owe dead-tree publishers anything, an economic model for content creation working for more people than it is now is still very much desired.

If you're perceiving GDPR as trading barrier (even though it's just a privacy law), please also consider the US's total and utter failure to get their antitrust regulations in gear: Facebook buying WhatsApp, Google buying DoubleClick and YouTube, etc. At a certain point, others will have to react to that kind of government-sanctioned monopolization to protect their markets.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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From the prototype letter: "I am a customer of yours." Not until you pay me, you're not. Yes, Mr. Well Actually, I know that the law says otherwise, and that's exactly why the law is FUBAR.

prototype letter comes from linkedin as a thought experiment: https://www.linkedin.com/pulse/nightmare-letter-subject-acce... thing is if you require people to register to be able to buy from you they can be customer before actually paying anything.

Wouldn't deleting the account pretty much take care of that?

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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Haha data export page, what even is that? Let me just go to my SQL DB, redis, glacier backups, and Kafka logs and just click the data export button. It will only take 3 minutes.

There's a button to download the user's data on their profile page. You can direct them to that. There's also a function to anonimise a user, which scrubs records of IP addresses and usernames.

Are you talking about Disqus specific features? Because that is really beside the point and the fact that you are bringing it up shows how clueless you GDPR zealots actually are.

Re: Shutting Down Forum (GDPR)

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post #282

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To answer that letter takes maybe 5 minutes for a simple forum operator.

I host a standard FluxBB forum on a stock Debian apache server. Can you please spent 5 minutes to answer that letter for me?

I don't want to. It's your forum. Your responsibility.
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