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yeah because fuck having fun right
Sounds more like it's causing you to be angry instead of having fun...
That's usually the point of memes on facebook.
Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
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Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
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It's disconcerting to me that under the GDPR, online businesses appear to be losing the ability to deny services to a user who knowingly, and with clear consent, chooses to take personal responsibility over the data they provide to said businesses. Regardless of whether this is for the "greater good", this is deeply unsettling territory.
Your account has been suspended for the foreseeable future for breaking the terms of service. No we will not tell you what you did. You already know what you did. Our automated systems found your policy violation and acted appropriately. They are beyond your comprehension or refutation. You may not talk to a person regarding your dismissal. It is against policy to discuss active or closed issues. You have no recourse…
Either we’re not talking about the same thing, or I don’t quite understand how your comment relates to mine. I really can’t answer your question.
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
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I think the issue is that it really hasn't been a "take it or leave it" environment in the past years. Things have been done against the interest of user privacy by burying the explanations in long privacy policies filled with legalese, and in the general underhandedness of data exchange between multiple parties. The inability to remove data you've provided to a website, too, I think is problematic in ways. I'm a big…
"I think the issue is that it really hasn't been a "take it or leave it" environment in the past years." What? Yes it has. "I am, however, leery about laws that essentially bind a business's hands in terms of how they can and cannot monetize on users, even when as there's A) clarity and B) honest, plain and upfront disclosure about how they do that." I'm not, mainly because business has been shown that they absolutel…
Can you give me an example of someone who isn’t in a position to — in simple terms — take their business elsewhere when it comes to dealing with some sort of online company with whom they’re voluntarily sharing data?
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
#304Things like this make me very, very angry! So many missteps over the years. So many things bungled. So many dark patterns to fool users. Yet, where is the mass exodus of employees from Facebook? If you're still working in any company that Facebook owns in the technology or privacy or legal front, don't you realize what harm you're contributing to? And you're still ok with that? Don't you have a choice? I'm appalled t…
Given the turnover rate of employees in the valley, I think most employees currently working for Facebook probably joined with a similar perception of it as people have today. Which is to say: most people who find Facebook's business practises incompatible with their ethics filtered themselves out before applying.
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
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The GDPR does not allow you to make access contingent on PII data collection, unless your service cannot possibly work without it.
I'm not sure why you keep spreading this FUD. The GDPR applies to all personal data, not just tracking data, and Facebook is useless without your personal data. IOW, FB can make access contingent upon agreeing to data collection.
From my understanding user will have to consent both to personal and tracking data separately. So yes, users will agree to sharing the personal data - (name, age, gender etc), as this is essential for the service, in this case social network, to work.
However, tracking data for ad purposes will need separate consent as this data is not essential for the service to work.
Otherwise GDPR would be another dead letter, wouldn't it?
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
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I agree that people can have different views on these things for various reasons. But I don't see how "FB's behaviors are not necessarily objectively bad", unless one considers only the profit motive as prime without giving any thought to other factors. Can you expand on that?
Well, for one thing, nothing is objectively good or bad. Value judgments come from people, and people have widely varying perspectives. For another, the reason there's no mass exodus from Facebook is that Facebook users do not perceive the company as harming them. They perceive it as a useful service for staying in touch with friends and family. The utility it provides outweighs privacy concerns, because most people…
> nothing is objectively good or bad
Just pointing out that this assertion is unjustifiably presented as fact.
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
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Zuck specifically answered questions covering shadow profiles during his inquisition. They exist and are used even if that user is not a Facebook user. It’s not an unknown.
Do you have a source for that? I watched the both hearings end to end and I only recall shadow profiles being mentioned once, and the answer was "I’m not familiar with that"...
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
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Curious. Is that very recent? I was in Amsterdam last year and while I remember the ticket validators, I don't remember them being mandatory; I think we've even passed them to cross the station to the other side, to catch the ferry.
It is recent, not everywhere and loosely enforced. But the intent is there. The situation in A'dam : I guess it is impractical and unwanted to close the corridor from the one end to the other.
In Utrecht they recently closed the main corridor from one end of the station to the other (which, unlike the Amsterdam station, also splits the city in half).
Fortunately, they left a relatively narrow outside corridor open. Still feels odd to have to check in and out again when you're coming from or to some of the main busses, or take a detour.
Re: Facebook now denying access unless EU users opt-in to tracking
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So what you are saying is that the EU should tell Facebook they can not make money by having ads, instead they need to make money by charging people? Is that typical, for the EU to get that involved in business decisions?
Well, first, ads are not the problem, tracking is. Also, they can make money from tracking, but they have to convince people to consent - more like a donation than a payment. But yes, the EU does get involved in plenty of business decisions, just like governments everywhere. Usually when an industry is misbehaving and violating what is established (e.g. by the ECHR) as the rights of individuals.
> But yes, the EU does get involved in plenty of business decisions, just like governments everywhere.
Obviously. But that's not what I meant.
They did not say "tracking is illegal", they said "it's illegal if not necessary".
Are they then say: "It's not necessary because if you completely restructured your business you wouldn't need to track."
That's the part I meant - do they really go to that level of detail?