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Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by tonyedgecombe »

martin1975 wrote: post #216
crdb wrote: post #208

There is a wonderful opportunity for Microsoft right now. Many managers have already switched to OSX for personal use and if they can (including at places like IBM) for work as well. The reliability is unbeatable especially as Windows becomes more and more unintuitive, unreliable and bloated. The key factor to this switch was porting Excel, and to a lesser extent the rest of Office, to Mac. Even with the reduced feat…

I've been preaching this for years... if MS adopts Linux, ups their GUI effort to create something useful atop Wayland, while providing a seamless way to run Win32 apps until the world migrates to Linux on the desktop helmed by Microsoft, they will completely destroy Apple on short notice. It would be a major, revolutionary move for Nadella to do this and I doubt he has the heft or charisma to sell this to the board/…

Why would they, they have nothing to gain from doing that, all it would do is accelerate the decline of Windows revenue.

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Post by tinus_hn »

baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

If you believe the bringers of bad news you clearly haven’t been using Apple products for long as the doomsayers alway love to trash their latest products.

The next iPhone is always going to be the one that ends Apple, the new OS always shows that Apple finally lost its way.

You’re better off ignoring that drivel and making up your own mind.

Re: High Sierra macOS freezing and stops

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Post by robin_reala »

ubu7737 wrote: post #261
robin_reala wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There’s something wrong with your machine. I can squeeze a full days’ work out of it if I need to, and Apple claim up to 10 hours.

> I can squeeze a full days’ work out of it if I need to No you can't. Do you think you can just lie openly about this? The only way to make this statement true is that you don't do any actual work on your laptop.

Sure I can. I generally have the screen turned down quite low regardless and if I know I’m going to be without power I’ll close unnecessary programs, but I can do a bunch of web development with Sublime and a browser going for a full 7-8 hours.

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Post by gmueckl »

acdha wrote: post #47
baggachipz wrote: post #3

Despite the daily nag messages, I still haven't "upgraded" to High Sierra yet because I've heard nothing but bad things about it from friends and coworkers. What does it bring to the table besides headaches?

The headaches appear to be video driver specific. Most of the people I know who upgraded on day one haven't had problems. That said, most of the benefits aren't visible so unless you use Safari or an app which depends on Metal 2, etc. there's no massive reason to jump.

Taking a wild guess here, the issue sounds like a GPU hang or crash. This gives the illusion of total unresponsiveness when only the display is not updated anymore. It would be interesting to see if networking still works in that frozen state. The CPU seems to be unaffected from the looks of it (sound decoding and playback works).

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Post by wor3q »

carterehsmith wrote: post #289
ProAm wrote: post #286

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Ive been following Apple for 10+ years and Im not wrong. Am I exact? No, but close enough. They used to charge you $100 to write software for your own iPhone. But a semantical argument isnt the one Im making.

>> Im not wrong. Sure thing. Long as you remember to show us the laptop 3-4x cheaper than the equivalent MBP.

Just look at amazon, Laptops with 7700hq and gtx1060 start at about $1k. Equivalent MBP cost almost $3k, while having ddr3 instead of ddr4 and way worse GPU that other vendors pair with this processor.

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Post by bborud »

givinguflac wrote: post #197
ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

Your comment is ridiculous. You're seriously taking a 4 post thread on apple support forums as the sky is falling? I use high Sierra daily on my 2013 mbp and have had 0 freezes.

Some time in the early 2000s a friend of mine who was on the core team of an immensely popular open source project wrote what I consider to be the most important PPT slide ever in software development. It simply read:

  "Nobody cares if it works for you".
While your experience feels very important to you, as you willingly demonstrate by extrapolating your subjective experience to near universal truth, it isn't significant or important. What portion, or proportion, of users, and the experience they have, is important is not even that easy to figure out. You have certain problems and certain users that carry more weight, and it isn't always obvious why and how.

I'd be careful to use the number of posts on Apple's support forums as any indicator of how big an issue is. Apple's support forums are, after all, fairly pointless in that there is a close to zero chance that they will be helpful. It is the wailing wall of Apple products – people come there to moan, to be joined by others who moan, to a deity that never shows itself nor provides meaningful response.

However, there appears to be a consensus that Apple isn't delivering the software quality one would expect from a company with their resources. There also appears to be some consensus that things are getting worse, if you read forums and discussion threads. It would be wise to at least investigate the mounting discontent with Apple from the ranks of professionals.

Nobody but you cares if your 2013 MBP has had zero freezes.

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Post by stephenr »

ohthehugemanate wrote: post #61

Apple went from building fantastically reliable software on beautiful, powerful devices, to... Well, this. Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything, because the design is so bloated. Their hardware performance lags the rest of the market at their price point, and skirt the lines of programmed obsolescence. And now apparently their major OS updates go out wit…

> Even die hard apple fans don't use their built in apps for calendar, music, mail, or really anything

[Citation needed]

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Post by stephenr »

nl wrote: post #293
carterehsmith wrote: post #291

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> It’s the price of the midrange Windows laptops, but the specs and build quality of the MacBooks. "specs and build quality of the MacBooks"? Great, can we see that mythical laptop that is 3-4x cheaper than equivalently-specced MBP or not? Url? Or is it just empty talk?

Why the hostility? I think it’s more like 2.5 to 3 times cheaper than 3 to 4, but it’s pretty easy to find. A$1400: https://www.lightinthebox.com/xiaomi-laptop-15-6-inch-intel-... . Vs A$3500: https://www.apple.com/au/shop/buy-mac/macbook-pro?product=MP... (with weaker CPU and GPU)

You know those are drastically different displays right?

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Post by EGreg »

valuearb wrote: post #15
EGreg wrote: post #9

Can we have a conversation about how it can be that Apple, which used to proudly advertise on "It Just Works", is sitting on billions of dollars in cash AND YET, at the same time, iOS and MacOS experience some major regressions with every new release? I mean, Google has overtaken Apple in UI and UX user satisfaction and usability. Steve Jobs would be rolling around in his grave. Ever since the "skeumorphism" debate,…

I won’t downvote you, but this are just a bunch of random assertions. I’ve upgraded to High Sierra, no problems. Done all the ios updates, no problems. Apple was constantly dealing with quality issues while Jobs was alive. Remember AntennaGate? Apple has more products and customers than ever now, meaning more anecdotal complaints than ever. And no one uses the Mac App store, so no problems.

No one uses the Mac App Store?? First of all many people do. And second, isn't that there aren't MORE people a problem for Apple?

How are people supposed to get apps for their Macs? Download from random websites? How do updates happen?

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Post by stephenr »

ProAm wrote: post #281
carterehsmith wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> You can easily build a comparable one for 1/4 of the price. Ok please show us the laptop that is 1/4 of the price of the same-specs MBP. Or how one could build one.

Just go spec it out for yourself. Im not doing a homework assignment for you to prove that Apple fleeces it's customers. Especially in regards to a discussion on how Apple quality has dropped so significantly over the past 8 years.

> Im not doing a homework assignment for you

You made a claim. If you can't back up that claim with some basic evidence, we tend to call that claim "bullshit".

Given that other posts identify a laptop with a 1920x1080 display to a retina MacBook Pro, the concept of "equivalent" is clearly not the same for everyone.

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