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With a $1k Price, Apple’s iPhone Crosses a Threshold

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I don't get what it is about the iPhone that people are willing to pay a premium for. Is it all just in the marketing? I would not mind paying $1000 for a phone if it offered any additional value over my $200 Android phone. But I cannot see anything better in the form factor of the iPhone line. And for the software - I have an iPad and I hate the software. It is so restricted. You cannot even do basic tasks like down…

So, why did you pay a premium for iPad when Android tablet at roughly half the price would give you the same functionality? (btw I don't get it either. But I don't see anything special about iPad, hence my question)

Two reasons:

1) It had the best form factor these days. It was the lightest 9.7inch tablet. Nowadays, a Samsung Galaxy Tab S2 scores better.

2) iOS is a popular OS, so I wanted to have at least one device running it.

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A lot of people just get the best iphone every 24 months (e.g. rich people, or people who have a generous smartphone policy at work). Having a model that gets another couple of hundred bucks from those people is pretty clever I think. This is basically the S-class phone (To make a car analogy, because that's what we do). The S-class Mercedes costs twice as much as the "Normal" E-class, and each time they launch a new…

I'm totally one of those people. I buy myself the best iPhone, every single year. But your car analogy, while popular, isn't really that illustrative. Most of my friends have a nicer, more expensive, car than I do. Buying a previous-year showroom-demo Nissan SUV from the dealer saved me something like $20,000, compared to buying a Lexus or Audi, even one a few years old. That's two decades of having the best phone. I…

The OP isn't saying that the S Class customer is the same as the super expensive iPhone customer, just that is it analogous. For it to work you should normalise/scale by the overall number of devices/cars sold.

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A lot of people just get the best iphone every 24 months (e.g. rich people, or people who have a generous smartphone policy at work). Having a model that gets another couple of hundred bucks from those people is pretty clever I think. This is basically the S-class phone (To make a car analogy, because that's what we do). The S-class Mercedes costs twice as much as the "Normal" E-class, and each time they launch a new…

I also know a guy who made his living for many years repairing and reselling iPhones, who simply buys the top of the line as soon as it comes out and resells the old one to pay for it, at as close to full price as he can get away with. Since he always gets the most specc'd out phone available, treats it very carefully, always inside an otterbox, and is a pretty decent salesman, he usually gets his price. He also clai…

This is common with high end DSLR's too. A way to always have the latest kit for a relatively low ongoing cost.

You've got to have the folding to start the ball rolling in the first place though.

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Android security updates are the only reason to update my Nexus 5. A decent midrange phone, with an open bootloader, would probably do me for many years.

How are you still getting security updates for the Nexus 5? The last security update they released was from October 2016.

Someone I know has a Nexus 4 and gets regular security updates.

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If we take a look from a Global Perspective, US has the cheapest iPhone ( All prices excluding sales Tax ), and everywhere else had it more expensive. i.e The $1K Prices may be making a big waves in US, but elsewhere in the world they have been paying that much for an iPhone already. And in terms of iPhones / Population / Apple Store, the US has it most. While in Japan 60% of the Smartphone are iPhone ( i.e Higher th…

> For Example, HongKong used to have the cheapest iPhone around the world, it was priced the same as US and because there are no Sales tax, it was 10-15% cheaper.

Could you explain this differently? If it had the same price as the US (converted to HKD), and no sales tax, it would be the same price as buying it in (say) Oregon:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sales_taxes_in_the_United_Stat...

> Since January 2017, 5 states (Alaska, Delaware, Montana, New Hampshire and Oregon) do not levy a statewide sales tax

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I don't get what it is about the iPhone that people are willing to pay a premium for. Is it all just in the marketing? I would not mind paying $1000 for a phone if it offered any additional value over my $200 Android phone. But I cannot see anything better in the form factor of the iPhone line. And for the software - I have an iPad and I hate the software. It is so restricted. You cannot even do basic tasks like down…

Android is full of Google suff. I can't hack my android either(i.e. get root-like access, remove stuff I want, run my *nix stuff etc) so as far as the restrictions are concerned the difference btw Android and iOS is not that significant. It pisses me off because it's said Android is OSS but in practice you can't really run AOSP on your Android device nor you can control/own your own device. You basically end-up with a tivoized device.

I think you can download pdf/mp3 files and open them in your favorite app on iOS too.

Now $1000 is a bit too much so unless it has a killer feature I will skip this upgrade.

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With wine and spirits, you're often paying for rarity, rather than outright quality. I'm not a huge wine snob (most wines I buy are in the $10-$20 range), but I have tasted some rather expensive wines. In a lot of cases, you're not really paying for "richness of flavor" (a lot of cheaper wines have plenty of richness and balance), you're paying for name and for rarity, especially when it comes to older wines. I'm act…

As another whiskey lover, can you tell me what that bottle is?

Of course :-)

It was a Bunnahabhain XXV, the greatest sherry cask dram I have ever had the pleasure of tasting. I am very close to rationalizing buying a bottle, but I know I can buy four $100 bottles of other whiskies that are 95% as good, and will give me a wider range of experiences, for that same price.

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I don't get what it is about the iPhone that people are willing to pay a premium for. Is it all just in the marketing? I would not mind paying $1000 for a phone if it offered any additional value over my $200 Android phone. But I cannot see anything better in the form factor of the iPhone line. And for the software - I have an iPad and I hate the software. It is so restricted. You cannot even do basic tasks like down…

"You cannot even do basic tasks like download an mp3/pdf/whatever in your browser and then open it the app of your choice." While I agree with your general sentiment I can save and open PDF:s from safari to third party applications just fine on my IPad.

How do you save it? I don't get any option to do that.

Only options to directly open it in applications that are registered to open PDF files. That seems to save a copy to the directory of that application. Which is terrible messy and clunky way to deal with files imho.

For MP3s I don't get any option other then to open them in Safari.

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A) I am an engineer, and at my previous company almost every engineer (9/10) had an iPhone. You should also know better than to insinuate that Elon Musk, Mark Zuckerberg, or Eric Schmidt aren't engineers, considering the companies they've created. B) Citation needed. C) What are the two reasons, specifically? The biggest argument I hear about using Android is that it's customizable, but I would argue that 99% of peop…

Look. Think about a guy. He stands behind a horse. The horse kicks him in the face. For most people this would hurt. But he doesn't process that feedback. How do you explain to him that it's a bad idea to get close to that horse from its back side? If you can show me a strategy, maybe I can explain to you why iPhones are badly designed. it should be obvious by using it. Examples: a) you get a notification that you ha…

Have you used iOS or are you making assumptions based on what you think you know? If it was obvious why iOS was badly designed then I wouldn't have to ask.

a) It depends on how the app works but in general you are right. But this is to save data, especially in cases where there are a lot of images. Some apps do download the content when it receives the notification as well.

b) Are you suggesting typing is that much more difficult than swiping on a keyboard? Even if that were the case, you can download a keyboard from the App Store that allows you to use a swiping motion on the keyboard.

c) That's more Facebook or Twitter's fault for not handling the same events as the built in browser, not the failing of the OS.

d) That doesn't make sense. You're protected because app developers have the freedom to provide sane defaults? What about the bad actors that don't provide sane defaults or add malware? I'd rather trust the OS to enforce sane defaults than trust the app developer to, because at least the people that make the OS are generally competent, whereas app developers are more likely to not be.

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I don't get what it is about the iPhone that people are willing to pay a premium for. Is it all just in the marketing? I would not mind paying $1000 for a phone if it offered any additional value over my $200 Android phone. But I cannot see anything better in the form factor of the iPhone line. And for the software - I have an iPad and I hate the software. It is so restricted. You cannot even do basic tasks like down…

Android is full of Google suff. I can't hack my android either(i.e. get root-like access, remove stuff I want, run my *nix stuff etc) so as far as the restrictions are concerned the difference btw Android and iOS is not that significant. It pisses me off because it's said Android is OSS but in practice you can't really run AOSP on your Android device nor you can control/own your own device. You basically end-up with…

Yes, I have a lot of gripes with Android too. But it's not as restricted as iOS.

And no, I don't get any option to download an MP3 from Safari on my iPad.

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