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Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by bargl »

4ndr3vv wrote: post #105

MS hasn't said they're going to remove it: [“Deprecated” Apps] ...are not in active development and might be removed in future releases [1] Its clearly not being actively developed, but there's no indication its going anywhere just yet. [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034825/features-th...

This is a click-bait title. They are adding a new Paint product called Paint3D. Which is probably there to accompany the Surface products which they are trying to sell as designer and drawing products. Either way this headline is very misleading.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by laurent123456 »

o_o_o wrote: post #149
Sleeep wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You're being completely disingenuous, that's absolutely terrible. My use case for Paint is highlighting one off screenshots for clients and the like. Nobody is going to send your sort of screenshot in a professional environment, it looks like it was marked up by a kindergartner. My workflow: I open up snipping tool, take a screenshot, copy it, paste it in Paint, mark it up quickly (arrow tool or circle/rounded corner…

It sounds like you could really take advantage of Greenshot. http://getgreenshot.org

How is it different from the built-in snippingtool.exe?

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by atomicfiredoll »

mschaef wrote: post #15
cabaalis wrote: post #12

This is silliness. I Win+R, mspaint at least 10 times a day. I paste in screenshots and quickly cut out just a portion of them. Or leave the screenshot there for later review. Why don't they just remove the file browser? Or how about mouse support?

Agreed. In fact, I also use OSX a lot, and would love to have 'Paint' there too.

As dumb as it may sound, the lack of a real spiritual successor to MacPaint is something that differentiates Windows from OSX in a small way for me.

It's not the end of the world, but it's annoying. Like copying a transparent PNG in Windows only to paste something with a black background and no alpha.

OSX's lack of a Paint equivalent makes me think, "Windows does it better."

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by dm319 »

dcole2929 wrote: post #231
keithpeter wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. And stay off my lawn, you whippersnappers." In my case so that I can use, with appropriate adapters in some cases, reasonably nice over-ear headphones (Beyerdynamic, Grado and Seinheiser). Do I really need several stages of modulation, propogation, reception and demodulation between me and my signal?

Exactly this. It's nice that lightning theoretically gives you more throughput but it's completely pointless if the signal has to get transformed a half dozen times between device and ear. And all the nicer phones aren't going to lightning cables either because the Pro Audio community (the people primarily buying $3-400 non Beats headphones) would revolt.

Yes, has anyone looked at the quality of the DAC in the 'dongle'?

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by mschaef »

tritium wrote: post #267
mschaef wrote: post #233

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> That these features are considered "advanced" and thus buried is my argument. You're making the assumption that people, general users, even care about these features. What evidence do you have that this is the case? Everything I've seen indicates most people have other things that are much more important to them than open text-based file formats or hierarchical directory structures for locally storing files.

Okay a very simple way to add context to my claims, to prove that these are intrisic features of any operating environment that must function without network access, as a standalone system, is to look at how internet-based entities replicate similar bahaviors to enable web based collaboration. Proving my point is the existence of URL shorteners (as analagous to file names and paths on a local machine) and plain text…

> a very simple way to add context to my claims

I didn't ask for context. I asked for evidence.

> Does my flimsy opinion hold water yet?

Personally, I agree or understand with a lot of what you're saying. Where I differ is your statement that there is or should be lots of interest in these things by the 'mass market'.

That makes about as much sense to me in 2017 as it would be to go back to 1983 and suggest people really need to toggle switch in a boot loader to understand how a personal computer works.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by mschaef »

vram22 wrote: post #264
sneak wrote: post #63

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What do you need empty files for?

At the CMD prompt, creating an empty file is as easy as: COPY NUL A 1 file(s) copied. DIR A 07/25/2017 12:12 AM 0 a 1 File(s) 0 bytes

I'm pretty sure that date could be 1982 and your example would work equally well. :-)

Checks... Yup: https://blogs.msdn.microsoft.com/oldnewthing/20031022-00/?p=...

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by TylerE »

dcole2929 wrote: post #231
keithpeter wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. And stay off my lawn, you whippersnappers." In my case so that I can use, with appropriate adapters in some cases, reasonably nice over-ear headphones (Beyerdynamic, Grado and Seinheiser). Do I really need several stages of modulation, propogation, reception and demodulation between me and my signal?

Exactly this. It's nice that lightning theoretically gives you more throughput but it's completely pointless if the signal has to get transformed a half dozen times between device and ear. And all the nicer phones aren't going to lightning cables either because the Pro Audio community (the people primarily buying $3-400 non Beats headphones) would revolt.

I dunno. Decent cans don't generally drive well from phones anyway - so you're stuck with an external amp. Many amps have integrated DACs... why not just feed digital audio to the amp/dac via lightning?

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by sqeaky »

cobalt wrote: post #213
emilsedgh wrote: post #158

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I don't get it. On windows each app has a completely different look and feel and guidelines and people are fine with it. But on Linux we have 2 and people are complaining. Btw, GTK+ apps look very close to Qt apps on KDE as KDE's Breeze engine has a GTK+ version. Additionally, an open source windows paint (that parent comment asked for) will not look consistent go GTK+ apps as well.

well people do complain, but i think the point is that windows has one UI framework (win32/user32) and (most) everyone uses that. It provides all of the primitives and norms that people expect

There are like 50 different toolkits...

I exagerate, but: win32 GDI, windows.forms, MFCs, ATL and that is just from microsoft off the top of my head. There are way more when you start looking at all the solutions that a typical user might actually have running on their machine.

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by hibbelig »

ygra wrote: post #122
4ndr3vv wrote: post #105

MS hasn't said they're going to remove it: [“Deprecated” Apps] ...are not in active development and might be removed in future releases [1] Its clearly not being actively developed, but there's no indication its going anywhere just yet. [1] https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/help/4034825/features-th...

Perhaps similar to Notepad, which has been more or less feature-complete since Windows 2000 or so. I guess it is also internally "deprecated", but will continue to be shipped for quite a while. Microsoft doesn't tend to break such things. In Paint's case, I'd guess the most that will happen is that it will vanish from the Start menu, but the executable will still be there.

Will Paint live as long as edlin?

Re: Microsoft Paint to be killed off after 32 years

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Post by freehunter »

platz wrote: post #230
troncheadle wrote: post #153

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> And yes, I still miss my 1/8" jack on my iphone. Every single day. I'm very curious -- anything thoughts on what will be your next phone? Iphone again, or branching out to new 1/8" jack pastures?

your tone suggests one's preferences should be dictated by a corporation's interests; it's perfectly reasonable that the 1/8" jack solves problems for the user that the lightning jack does not solve. Even if they don't even include a 1/8" jack on future products, it could still have been preferable from the individual point of view.

Either you replied to the wrong person or you are majorly projecting your own displeasure. They just asked if the other person was planning on sticking with the iPhone in the future or moving to something that still includes the headphone jack. There was no negative tone to be inferred from that post.
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