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Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by valuearb »

Markoff wrote: post #274
wklauss wrote: post #164

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It's much harder to estimate the demand of a child care center than that of a gym or a cafeteria. Not every employee will become a parent and those who do so will only have one or two children in the lifetime. On top of that, some would prefer an outside child care service, specially if the position has a lot of traveling involved (can your partner or caregiver bring the kid to campus when you are not there?) Even if…

> It's much harder to estimate the demand of a child care center than that of a gym or a cafeteria. Not every employee will become a parent and those who do so will only have one or two children in the lifetime. not every employee (most?) is interested in gym, so why provide gym? you can make survey or research to estimate what size of childcare you will need > On top of that, some would prefer an outside child care…

I have to work late, why isn't child care open after 5? I'm forced to go all the way down there, get my kid, and then drag them back up to my office and they won't let me work!

My child has a bump on their head, I'm positive they didn't have it before I dropped them, I demand a firing!

Why isn't the company offering healthy snacks to my kids?

I chose not to have kids because I think it's better for our future not to overpopulate this planet. But why can't I leave my Shitzu there? He's never hurt anyone!!!!

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by Markoff »

valuearb wrote: post #294
Markoff wrote: post #269

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yep, it looks really awful like something from 80s almost in par with commie architecture, these guys wasting money apparently never heard of Zaha Hadid and likes common, it's just massive boring circle, even Pentagon building is more original, there are only two things making this building interesting - size, Apple HQ make it ten times smaller and put there unknown company and nobody would bother to read about it

They spent the money and effort on making it functional so that employees can best enjoy their time there. Zaha Hadid designs beautiful but dysfunctional buildings.

enjoy time in those prison cubicles? they would better off let them work from home than in this prison environment

nice design from outside doesn't mean it can't be practical inside

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by maaaats »

csomar wrote: post #131
matsemann wrote: post #36

I'd wish they were a bit more futuristic than having 9000 parking spaces. Why not offer buses from where their employees live or other means of transportation? It's easy to say that most people drive, but that's only because everyone always make that the most convenient mode of transportation. With some effort something else could be even more convenient.

No offense but I hear this a lot "Why not public transportation?" Well, why not a car if people wanted to have a car? With Tesla and new E.V.s hitting the market, the primary reason (pollution) is gone.

With electric cars the pollution is just elsewhere. And asphalt dust is a major hazard in most big cities.

Btw, my argument was that people want a car because that's what has been made the most convenient. I think the correlation is that way.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by davidwtbuxton »

jt2190 wrote: post #200

Anyone here work at one of Foster's other buildings? (Berlin Reichstag, the Hong Kong airport, and London’s infamous “Gherkin” tower, etc.). How about Steve's Pixar HQ? What's the day to day experience like?

Why describe the Gherkin as infamous? My impression is it is largely admired by Londoners (myself included).

It would be interesting to hear from those working inside it.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by accountyaccount »

accountyaccount wrote: post #266
valuearb wrote: post #230

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Child care is a competitive business that can almost always be provided better and cheaper elsewhere. So it's much better to use stipends to subsidize employee child care. Having child care is also an expensive distraction and liability for management. Do you want to deal with employee complaints over childcare hours, personnel, facilities, etc, or do you want to spend your time thinking about how to better sell prod…

This is all a bunch of weird handwringing... >Child care is a competitive business that can almost always be provided better and cheaper elsewhere. So it's much better to use stipends to subsidize employee child care. Child care facilities aim for profit like any other business, and a corporate add-on doesn't need to seek profitability (and even if they did, assuming it's on-site the operational overhead is ultimatel…

>Making something non-profit doesn't make it efficient. If your business is child-care, it's your job to know the cheapest/best way to comply with regs, build child-care locations to meet market demands, hire child-care staff, enforce appropriate rules and procedures, etc, etc, etc.

You hire someone for this

>Running a software company doesn't give you any of those skills. Someone specializing in the business of child-care should be able to wipe the floor with anything your software company puts up in it's spare time.

Same hire as above

>Children are a distraction, I know. But having the management of the company involved in making decisions about how your kids are being cared for is a distraction from their core duties. By definition they are going to be slightly worse at sales, marketing, development, etc because they have to spend time on childcare.

Seriously, hire like one person.

>Having childcare only benefits a few employees for a few years of their lives. There is nothing wrong with having company childcare, I'm playing the devils advocate a bit here, but there is also nothing wrong with saying the outside world will be better at serving this need and just offering a stipend to help parents with the cost.

I'm talking about companies with hundreds of employees in the same building... like Apple, who has built a massively enormous HQ without childcare. An issue that likely impacts dozens, if not hundreds, of their employees at this location.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by Markoff »

valuearb wrote: post #290
Markoff wrote: post #267

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beautiful building? meh, it's just extremely boring massive ring designed by some megalomaniac without any imagination, it's shame since Apple products have usually decent design but this is shameful mediocrity this is beautiful building which looks cool and like actual 2017, not that Apple thing which looks like something from 80s http://www.archdaily.com/778933/harbin-opera-house-mad-archi... http://www.architectur…

The Harbin looks incredibly wasteful of space.

beautiful building, that's what i was responding to

this might be efficient but it's extremely boring not worth articles

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by jt2190 »

valuearb wrote: post #220

“It’s an obsolete model that doesn’t address the work conditions of the future,” says Louise Mozingo, an urban design professor at UC Berkeley." Everyone should note that Louise Mozingo has criticized the Apple campus from not having large open floor plans where employees can stare at each other across narrow tables and "collaborate" by yelling to one another over their co-workers heads. She simply doesn't get how so…

> Everyone should note that Louise Mozingo has criticized the Apple campus...

The quote from the article appears to be related to Apple Park's lack of a childcare facility. (I assume they can easily remedy this.)

I can't find any of her criticism elsewhere. Mind sharing some links?

(edit: Found something from 2011. No mention of the interior space though. http://articles.latimes.com/2011/sep/10/entertainment/la-ca-...)

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by valuearb »

jshevek wrote: post #279
valuearb wrote: post #191

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They don't have cubes. They don't have an open floor plan. Those single person pod/offices are huge productivity benefits that most tech companies simply won't invest in.

"Huge productivity benefits" Citation needed.

Peopleware/Mythical Man month. Anyone who has ever done any amount of software development professionally.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by maaaats »

valuearb wrote: post #284
megablast wrote: post #218

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Oh, you know, drivers kill over a million people are year. But you are right, why is that a problem? Driving is the single most dangerous thing most people will do at any time. It is a ridiculous, barbaric thing to do.

730,000 people die in the US every year. Only 35,000 are killed in car accidents. Individually it wouldn't rank in the top ten causes of death. Auto fatalities per million miles driven have dropped by 95% since the 1920s, 86% since 1950, and over 50% since the 1980s. If people don't drive, all those million miles of transport will be taken up by Buses, Trains, Bikes, Walking, etc, all of which have their own death ra…

If people walked or biked, one would however save hundreds of thousands of lives because of lifestyle issues.

Re: A Look Inside Apple’s New Campus

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Post by valuearb »

jshevek wrote: post #276
valuearb wrote: post #190

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Since you didn't read the article and don't know what the "beehive" is really like, it's easy to be cynical.

Why would you make wrong assumptions about what other people have read?

Because you have declared it to have cubes and an open layout
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