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Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee’s personal device

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Re: Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee’s personal device

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This judge is mighty impressive, and since it's so much in fashion these days to be suspicious of institutions, I want to highlight this passage: THE COURT: If you all keep insisting on redacting so much information, like -- and you're the guilty one on that, Mr. Verhoeven -- then arbitration looks better and better. Because I'm not going to put up with it. If we're going to be in a public proceeding, 99 percent of w…

Also check out this order: https://ia601504.us.archive.org/0/items/gov.uscourts.cand.30...

"[...] the Court first states its strong concern that the memorandum in support of the motion to compel is overly redacted. Our federal courts belong to the public, and the public and the press have a legitimate interest in looking over our shoulders to see the work in progress in our courts. The essence of our work concerns evaluating competing arguments. Parties should not hide those arguments under seal out of a desire to shroud business dealings in secrecy. [...] This theme runs throughout the brief history of this case. Please do not claim privacy over anything less than true trade secrets or other material clearly deserving to be under seal."

Re: Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee’s personal device

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> highly functional a judge Best joke I read today.

Downvotes? Looks like there's some kind of scheme against this thread.

As hacker news becomes more popular it becomes more like reddit :(

Re: Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee’s personal device

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Downvotes? Looks like there's some kind of scheme against this thread.

As hacker news becomes more popular it becomes more like reddit :(

"If your account is less than a year old, please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a common semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee’s personal device

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I don't know where this guy stands on the political spectrum, but I know that I respect the crap out of him. He's got my support!

Ideally, his political leanings are not involved in his judicial decisions. For whatever it's worth he clerked for the FDR-appointed justice https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_O._Douglas , was in the US Dept. of Justice under Carter and Reagan, was appointed to the federal court by Clinton, and is a registered Democrat.

We need more judges outside of the D.C. circuit. Technology knowledge is SORELY lacking among the current crop, for that reason alone we need a voice like his.

Re: Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee’s personal device

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He invoked the fifth. Uber could fire him, but I don't seriously expect them to be able to get more out of him than the court itself can. Would you rather lose your job or go to prison isn't a hard question to answer, after all.

If Uber fires him, they run the risk of him throwing them under the bus, in exchange for legal leniency. That's a problem with criminal conspiracies - you either have to stand by your partners, or hold a threat worse then jail time over their heads. Easy for a mob boss, less easy for a unicorn.

That's true. But at the same time, it seems to me, Uber lawyers are arguing that Uber is not responsible for Lewandowski's defence strategy even when that hurts Uber. If an employee works against his company, he is usually fired. Uber his looking bad either way here.

Re: Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee’s personal device

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How is Uber supposed to prove that they don't have the files? I'm asking purely from a legal / process perspective - would they have to turn over all their data to discovery, or something? If they legitimately don't have the files, how could they satisfy the judge? Or is it not possible that they don't have the files? What if Levandowski has the files on his home computer or something but they never touched Uber's sy…

(IANAL) Imagine this was a criminal case where person A is charged with hiring person B to kill person C. Exhibit A is a forum post made by person A asking someone to assassinate person C for $15,000, exhibit B is a $15,000 check from person A to person B, and exhibit C is the gun used to kill person C, legally purchased by person A a few months ago and left at the scene of the crime with person B's fingerprints on i…

Without knowing the law, it seems like Uber could construct a viable legal defence around admitting that they inappropriately got access to these files, while simultaneously arguing that they should not face an injunction blocking work on self-driving technology, because the current technology they're developing differs significantly enough from the proprietary tech Google is trying to claim ownership over.

Re: Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee’s personal device

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For those who don't recognize the name, this is the same judge that learned some Java for the Oracle v. Google case (and has an undergrad degree in mathematics). Every time I read his name I know it's going to be a fun ride and the lawyers will not be able to get away with anywhere near as much shenanigans as they usually do. Although his ruling regarding API copyright in the Google case was overturned, he has a real…

His middle name is Haskell :p - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_Haskell_Alsup

That... is actually quite a cool name.

Re: Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee’s personal device

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Hey, what issues around Applebaum? Some googling didn't help me, the most prominent result is a journalist called Anne Applebaum.

Well, in hindsight I can see that's my fault... Jacob App el baum. My bad! https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13891513

I have missed the connection between Appelbaum and Uber. Does he work for them now?

Re: Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee’s personal device

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As hacker news becomes more popular it becomes more like reddit :(

"If your account is less than a year old, please don't submit comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a common semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills." https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Hilarious - I'd never seen that before! Another interesting tidbit[0]:

> Please don't submit comments complaining that a submission is inappropriate for the site. If you think a story is spam or off-topic, flag it by clicking on its 'flag' link. If you think a comment is egregious, click on its timestamp to go to its page, then click 'flag' at the top. (Not all users see flag links; there's a small karma threshold.)

[0]: Ibid.

Re: Uber finds one allegedly stolen Waymo file on an employee’s personal device

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In the USA do judges get assigned to cases because of their prior demonstrated ability to grasp a particular industry - or is this just a coincidence?

It's often by self-selected committee. All the judges (or their aides) get in a room and they divvy up the cases among themselves. There is often some other things that effect that too (like "on call" judges who handle various time sensitive proceedings, or agreed upon ways to split up cases nobody wants). So judges can be assigned cases they are interested in or suited for through that system.

Wow, I never realized that. In Germany judges must be selected "in abstract" beforehand, so that when a case is filed the judge is already determined.

And the court's secretary must under no circumstances tell anyone who is next in rotation (most courts use some sort of modified rotational system), not even the judges!

Any deviation would make certain that revision would be granted.

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