Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates

thehill.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

301–310 of 312 posts

Re: Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates

#301

Post by talmand »

_delirium wrote: post #271
talmand wrote: post #262

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you look at the vote totals you'll see that far more Republicans voted for the Civil Rights Act of 1964 than Democrats and that far more Democrats voted against it than Republicans. The Democrats did not suddenly decide to support civil rights since the majority of the opponents of such policies were Democrats. Much of the violence against blacks you see from that era were committed by Democrats. I seriously doubt…

At the time, region predicted support more than party: northern Democrats and Republicans voted for the civil rights act, while southern Democrats and Republicans voted against it. With a handful of exceptions on both sides.

That is likely true, but the common claim is that the entirety of the Republicans are the "racist" party. This requires that all Republicans suddenly decided to reverse themselves within a short time period. Your statement is probably the closest to what was going on at the time instead of the usual blanket generalizations that skip over the facts of the era.

Re: Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates

#302

Post by justinlaster »

talmand wrote: post #300
justinlaster wrote: post #270

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He literally just explained this. Democrats then are not the same Democrats now. The people (southern whites) that committed violence against blacks who were democrats back then, are very, very likely to be Republican these days.

So, the rest of the Republicans across the country outside of the South that voted for Civil Rights just went along with this change and accepted the role of being the "racist" party? Because that's the claim.

Except it's not.

Re: Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates

#303

Post by talmand »

justinlaster wrote: post #302
talmand wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, the rest of the Republicans across the country outside of the South that voted for Civil Rights just went along with this change and accepted the role of being the "racist" party? Because that's the claim.

Except it's not.

Hmm, I must have been reading the wrong news for the past twenty years because I would swear that it is very common rhetoric from the left that the Republican party is the party of the racists. I also thought that very claim was made during the last Presidential campaigns by the Democrat candidate.

My bad.

Re: Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates

#304

Post by justinlaster »

talmand wrote: post #303
justinlaster wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Except it's not.

Hmm, I must have been reading the wrong news for the past twenty years because I would swear that it is very common rhetoric from the left that the Republican party is the party of the racists. I also thought that very claim was made during the last Presidential campaigns by the Democrat candidate. My bad.

Yes, racists tend to be in the Republican party. That is not saying that all Republicans are racist. Or that there is some intrinsic quality about republican and racist. Although it should make you question why you're apart of the same party given certain platform agendas recently.

I am not going to explain this further, as you are borderline trolling.

Re: Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates

#305

Post by facetube »

spurcell93 wrote: post #214
ryanx435 wrote: post #197

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why should they be specific when the left groups half of America into a basket of deplorables?

I can't tell if this comment is brilliant sarcasm or if it has completely missed the point.

I'm really sad that comment ended up being flagged; it illustrated our current slide toward mindless partisanship and collective punishment perfectly.

Re: Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates

#306

Post by Vivtek »

John23832 wrote: post #277
Vivtek wrote: post #134

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's pro forma for the ambassadors from the outgoing administration to proffer their resignation effective noon on Inauguration Day. The incoming president then says, no, no, please stay on until we have your replacement set up. A transition team who knows these things would have done that - the Trump team, though, since he was not actually expecting a transition, had no idea how to run one. And accepted all the resi…

"Which is more culpable: stupidity or malice?"

I wish current events didn't leave us needing to answer that question. I don't have a ready answer.

Re: Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates

#307

Post by talmand »

justinlaster wrote: post #304
talmand wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hmm, I must have been reading the wrong news for the past twenty years because I would swear that it is very common rhetoric from the left that the Republican party is the party of the racists. I also thought that very claim was made during the last Presidential campaigns by the Democrat candidate. My bad.

Yes, racists tend to be in the Republican party. That is not saying that all Republicans are racist. Or that there is some intrinsic quality about republican and racist. Although it should make you question why you're apart of the same party given certain platform agendas recently. I am not going to explain this further, as you are borderline trolling.

Who claimed I was Republican? You are assuming.

Re: Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates

#308

Post by Vivtek »

3131s wrote: post #178
facetube wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you agree that Donald Trump is corrupt?

I actually edited out a long addendum to my comment above shortly after posting it. I guess I should have kept it because it addressed what I felt was the implicit assumption of the comment I replied to, and the less subtle assumption of your comment -- that because someone is criticizing a Democrat that they must be a Republican or Trump supporter. While statistically that may even be likely, you should withhold jud…

Ah. Point taken, then (I did apparently need this addendum, ha). I did make this sloppy assumption.

I do have a significant D bias. Obama was by no means a perfect president - I mean, my God, I have a long list - but Trump, as far as I can see, doesn't even know what "President" means. There are loads of Republicans who I think would have done a fine job. I liked Romney, I think Kasich would have done OK, etc.

That said, an ambassadorship is normally given as a sop, isn't it? It doesn't alarm me in the slightest that Obama may have "literally auctioned off" ambassadorships - because I don't see the harm done and, as I say, I was under the impression that this was business as usual.

But you have to see that calling out possible corruption in the Obama administration (which, as I said, doesn't appear to have harmed us in any way that I know of) in the present context is ... well, it looks like carrying water for what appears to be shaping up to be quite literally the most corrupt administration America has ever suffered.

Re: Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates

#309

Post by justinlaster »

talmand wrote: post #307
justinlaster wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes, racists tend to be in the Republican party. That is not saying that all Republicans are racist. Or that there is some intrinsic quality about republican and racist. Although it should make you question why you're apart of the same party given certain platform agendas recently. I am not going to explain this further, as you are borderline trolling.

Who claimed I was Republican? You are assuming.

And where did I say you were? There you go again. Stop trying to waste people's time and be constructive about something.

Re: Trump bans EPA employees from giving social media updates

#310

Post by belovedeagle »

facetube wrote: post #305
spurcell93 wrote: post #214

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can't tell if this comment is brilliant sarcasm or if it has completely missed the point.

I'm really sad that comment ended up being flagged; it illustrated our current slide toward mindless partisanship and collective punishment perfectly.

It's become increasingly clear in part several weeks that flagging posts and comments is just another way of downvoting them. Accordingly, I've personally started downvoting and flagging any comment I strongly disagree with just to balance things out. I realize perfectly well that this makes me part of the problem, but if you can't beat 'em...
Post reply on HN