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Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by Semiapies »

natch wrote: post #274

Please don't be so gullible, folks! When you see an article marketing a product, and they claim people are looking to switch to their product in droves, take it with a grain of salt! This is purely a promotional article, pretending to be a help article. Look at the unattributed quotes it uses. Pretty sure the part about anybody switching from anything to anything is made up. Sure people switch sometimes. Sure people…

Do you really think HN readers are so gullible as to not realize this, and that you are the only one to catch on?

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by mememachine »

mohanmcgeek wrote: post #233
kybernetyk wrote: post #33

So I went to their main page to download an ISO to give it a try in a VM. They hid the download button really well: You have to type in "0" into the "how much you'd like to pay" field for the "Purchase" button to change to "Download". I mean I understand that open source projects need funding. But if you want people to try your niche OS at least make it obvious how to download it. Ask for money later after people had…

They caught a lot of flak when they first introduced it. Not only did they introduce this, but they also shamed the people who did not pay http://m.slashdot.org/story/213469

you cant really have a "choose what you pay" plan and be upset when (many) people pay 0.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by KKKKkkkk1 »

The elephant in the room is that Elementary is infringing on Apple's copyright by imitating macOS design. Linux has great desktop environments (Unity, KDE, Gnome). Elementary's claim to fame is that it has good design (wink). If stealing others' GPL-licensed code is wrong, then so is this.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by Klarbichu »

natch wrote: post #274

Please don't be so gullible, folks! When you see an article marketing a product, and they claim people are looking to switch to their product in droves, take it with a grain of salt! This is purely a promotional article, pretending to be a help article. Look at the unattributed quotes it uses. Pretty sure the part about anybody switching from anything to anything is made up. Sure people switch sometimes. Sure people…

I'm not sure what the problem is. It's an interesting link to an interesting article about an interesting operating system.

Perhaps you don't find it interesting, but as a developer, I like it.

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by equalarrow »

aroman wrote: post #269
fizzbatter wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I really wish someone would start a paid OS based on Linux and OSS tools. I'd happily pay $100/y (year being, new versions/etc) for a stable and awesome UI/UX. As it is, my Macbook Pro Retina has been crashing a lot and doing weird things frequently since i upgraded to Sierra. Between that and the latest Macbook Pro notebooks, i just don't like Apple anymore. I'm pretty set on buying a highend laptop _(similar build…

You just described elementary (fwiw, it is a for-profit LLC). I think you're massively underestimating the magnitude and difficulty of what you're seeking. elementary has been at this for 5 years and made an immense amount of progress, though. But it's definitely still not at the level of Apple, which has had decades and billions of dollars poured into this. It's not a "paid OS" in that it doesn't force you to pay a…

I think this is one big problem with the OSS community: there is no concept of 'value'.

People complain about iOS' race to the bottom, but in the OSS community, I frel like this has been there for a long time. "You want to _charge me for it_ ?! Pffft!"

We may complain about macOS now with Sierra but for thr most part, macOS has been stable for a long time. I haven't seen a kernel panic in probably a decade. Not saying it's perfect, but there's a point you hit when people are paid to make things happen and macOS hit that point yeats ago.

I would argue Elementary provides a lot of value and should therefore weed out the complainers and worst of the bunch by charging. I would remove the 'pay what you want' and just charge $30 or $40.

We don't live in the Star Trek universe yet, so people still need money to live. I fully believe in and support companies, individuals, and groups that provide a good value for what they charge.

I _want_ those people making great things and doing it full time. Otherwise, you just get abandonware or crappy products where people don't fix bugs because they have a day job to deal with. That's the reality in my mind.

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Post by kps »

toyg wrote: post #31
my123 wrote: post #26

Elementary is quite nice on HiDPI until you use apps which need other graphics toolkits...

The Linux world should really get together and bang out a solution for the hiDPI problem that is consistent across X servers and window managers.

X was designed for multiple DPI from the start; it was the ‘Linux world’ who abandoned everything from the ‘Unix world’ that wasn't immediately relevant to cloning the Windows desktop.

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Post by fernandotakai »

nextos wrote: post #69
laktak wrote: post #57

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There is no 15" version and I doubt you can install Linux without a hack.

Some are pretty Linux friendly, see http://reddit.com/r/SurfaceLinux

archlinux has a wikipage on surface pro 3 https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Microsoft_Surface_Pro_3

Re: Switching from macOS: The Basics

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Post by ajford »

reitanqild wrote: post #250
ajford wrote: post #235

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Is that not what Red Hat is? I thought that's what the Red Hat license provided?

>> ... and awesome UI/UX. > Is that not what Red Hat is? I thought that's what the Red Hat license provided? I won't say anything bad about Red Hat, but calling the UX awesome isn't something I would do based on my experience. Then again, they might have changed but I haven't heard anybody mentioning it. (This used to be Canonicals niche before they picked up the assumption that Mac-like == Good ; )

I may have skipped over the awesome UX. More of the stable and paid dev work.

I'll agree most UX on Linux isn't great. But GUI is such a pain in the ass that most people really don't want to work on it. Plus, plenty of Linux users aren't casual users and will accept or prefer function over form.

I myself am a heavy terminal user and pretty much limit my GUI use to the occasional image editor and the browser.

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Post by hayleox »

Void_ wrote: post #39

I'm really hoping this is just a phase. Hoping that Apple will reduce prices of new laptops and we'll be back to normal. Right now everybody is using Macs. Walk into the Bay Area coffee shop, you see Macs everywhere. I love that. I build desktop software for Macs (focuslist.co). My apps are prettier than any others. They are easier and faster to use. This is the reason why people pay me $5 while they can get the job…

I don't really see any issue with Electron apps -- Slack and Atom, both Electron-based, are some really good looking apps that really get the job done.

For me, even as a Mac user, I avoid Mac-only apps as much as I possibly can because I want the freedom to switch platforms in the future. I will happily have all my apps be slightly less pretty if it means they work on any OS.

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Post by jswny »

Void_ wrote: post #39

I'm really hoping this is just a phase. Hoping that Apple will reduce prices of new laptops and we'll be back to normal. Right now everybody is using Macs. Walk into the Bay Area coffee shop, you see Macs everywhere. I love that. I build desktop software for Macs (focuslist.co). My apps are prettier than any others. They are easier and faster to use. This is the reason why people pay me $5 while they can get the job…

> This is thanks to Mac as a platform. Mac developers don't want to just get the job done. They want to get the job done while winning an Apple Design Award. That's why Mac apps are the best.

This may be one of the most pretentious things I've ever read on HN.

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