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Re: Elementary OS

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Post by tigershark »

dkarapetyan wrote: post #200
tigershark wrote: post #191

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Seriously??? In that case the real problem is pushing directly from a dev machine to prod. It is simply crazy not to use a staging server. I bet that even if the Dev machine has the same OS as prod a lot of shit happens when not using a proper staging server (been there seen that). So the production problems that you experienced are completely unrelated to the OS on the dev machine. They are simply caused by the wron…

We can go around circles for days. The fundamental issue still stands. You are losing time and spending effort working around OS mismatches because your dev machine and your production servers do not line up. Adding a staging server moves the problem one level higher. You will still spend however long it takes to fix whatever mismatch was caused by the differing environments.

I develop on windows and deploy on Linux. I have done that for more that 10 years and I never found a problem that wouldn't have happened if I developed on Linux. And obviously I always deployed first on test, then on stage and only at the end in production. What kind of problems did you see that happened because of developing on Mac OS instead of Linux? The only ones that I can think of are all caused by a wrong deployment process.

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Post by pjmlp »

pavanky wrote: post #199
matt4077 wrote: post #192

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Having an interest in design, I often feel a vibe of aggression towards the whole endeavor coming from some elements of OSS scene that I can see being equally infuriating or hurtful as "neckbeards". Among them are: - dismissal of design as a sort of thin veneer, somewhat fake, lipstick-on-good-bacon - design as a kludge aimed at amateurs, to the point of preferring the worse UI (all else being equal) so as to prove s…

Firstly, I see a lot of people complaining about the design, but the matter of fact is a lot more programmers are willing to work for free and make their contributions open source than designers are. This was more true a decade ago than it is now, so there is a lot of "if it works, do not break it" attitude. Secondly, "good design" is subjective as opposed to a program that achieves its goals. No matter what you do,…

It doesn't happen that projects like GNOME and KDE get bashed by trying to improve the whole stack experience, by developers which only care to scatter xterms across their screens.

This is why many of us that enjoy UI design ended up going to platforms where it is praised.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by insertnickname »

jbicha wrote: post #45
insertnickname wrote: post #38

Loading this page with JS disabled, all the images are blurred. Loading it with JS, there's a fancy fade-in animation on the images. What is the point of this? Why would you intentionally distort the images for people who browse with JS disabled?

because almost everyone has JavaScript enabled because websites are broken with it disabled…

Because web developers deliberately break websites...

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by ilolu »

eyko wrote: post #278
butterm wrote: post #144

I am using elementary OS for the past one and a half years, and honestly speaking, I am in love with it. I am a long time Linux user, and whenever I get a chance, I tell people about all the great things about Linux and why it's better than Windows and the MacOS. But there was always one aspect of Linux that I always felt a bit uneasy about, and this was design/UI/UX/accessibility of the many popular distributions. I…

> and whenever I get a chance, I tell people about all the great things about Linux and why it's better than Windows and the MacOS. People like this bore me to death. Let's be frank - you're just biased and you're probably wrong, despite all your good intentions. What OS you prefer is a matter of taste and of choice, and there's no "better" or "worse" unless you're so narrow minded as to only measure an operating sys…

I don't think you should be telling him what to do and what not to do, unless he is lecturing you.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by pmlnr »

felipebueno wrote: post #260

Interesting reading. Since 2012, I've tried Elementary several times but I always come back to whatever other (Debian based) distro with LXDE because there's one thing, really JUST ONE THING, on Elementary I can't stand: the Application Switcher (alt+tab) animation. It's slow and distracting and, even switching any and every UI animation off, I couldn't speed it up. I still like the project and I really want to use i…

This, besides the no detailed window tiling, was one of my main issues as well.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by amiga-workbench »

v1dik wrote: post #257
amiga-workbench wrote: post #220

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I find window snapping pretty essential, using a Mac without better touch tool is truly painful. For my taste, Gnome 3 only needs a few small tweaks, dash to dock, dropdown terminal, and jetisoning adwaita out of the nearest airlock. http://i.imgur.com/jo7XbHl.png

Lovely screenshot. Mind sharing that wallpaper?

Sure http://i.cubeupload.com/QgvinA.png

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by boomskats »

minitech wrote: post #297
AhtiK wrote: post #98

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Unfortunately this seems to be just a wrapper around their web app. Meaning there is zero chance for a significant native linux skype client update.

It isn’t. It’s the equivalent of the Windows and Mac versions.

Can confirm. They've brought in desktop sharing and it's a lot more stable.

Now just need a 'stop sharing my desktop' button.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by aikah »

metafunctor wrote: post #248
mavelikara wrote: post #9

My mini Ask HN: After over a decade of using Mac OS X, I am considering switching to Linux for my dev laptop. The tools I worry about are those that interact with audio and webcam - Go To Meeting, Google Hangout etc. My work involves me having to teleconf with others often. Does anyone here have experience using Linux well in such scenarios. If so, what hardware are you using? Also, does sleep-on-closing-lid work wel…

This is why I still choose to go with Mac OS X, even if their most recent hardware is very, very expensive. I don't have time to tinker with compiling kernels, configuring X11, figuring out which photo management software to use, setting up reliable backups, getting my Bluetooth headset to work, and, yes, getting the machine to suspend when I close the lid and wake up when I open it. These are basics that will just w…

> These are basics that will just work with OS X, very, very, reliably.

That's fine, you are paying a premium for all this, it better "just" works. Elementary OS is free of charge.

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by Longhanks »

vbezhenar wrote: post #179
_qc3o wrote: post #153

I really don't understand why developers use macs at all. They're not good dev machines. All production systems I work with are some flavor of linux (mostly ubuntu). There is actually a real impedance mismatch when I'm using my mac for work purposes. All those cores and RAM become meaningless when I have to do everything in a VM anyway. My personal dev machine is a project sputnik running ubuntu 16.04. I can understa…

1. It's UNIX (more or less, but it's much more UNIX, than Windows), it's familiar bash, grep, awk, etc. It also has proper and popular package manager for command line programs (actually 2, macports and homebrew). 2. It just works. You don't have to configure anything, every hardware part functioning properly and it's guaranteed that this will work in the future without any hassle. You don't have to think about drive…

It's not more or less UNIX, it is a UNIX. It's certified by the Open Group. See http://www.opengroup.org/openbrand/register/brand3627.htm

Re: Elementary OS

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Post by omnimus »

pavanky wrote: post #199
matt4077 wrote: post #192

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Having an interest in design, I often feel a vibe of aggression towards the whole endeavor coming from some elements of OSS scene that I can see being equally infuriating or hurtful as "neckbeards". Among them are: - dismissal of design as a sort of thin veneer, somewhat fake, lipstick-on-good-bacon - design as a kludge aimed at amateurs, to the point of preferring the worse UI (all else being equal) so as to prove s…

Firstly, I see a lot of people complaining about the design, but the matter of fact is a lot more programmers are willing to work for free and make their contributions open source than designers are. This was more true a decade ago than it is now, so there is a lot of "if it works, do not break it" attitude. Secondly, "good design" is subjective as opposed to a program that achieves its goals. No matter what you do,…

Designers work on projects for free a lot same as programmers. Its just not opensource software. Its impossible to contribute when there are 15 devs wanting the ui work their way bacause its their passion project. As designer work like that slowly stops being passion project because you do stuff and only the things dev agree on get made. Design is about overall vision and big picture. You cant glue some pretty parts and expect it to work. Thats beauty of programming, you can totaly do that. In fact its best practice to do that.

The only well designed open-source projects are usualy from people who are designers who can code. Or led by company hiring designers.

Most of the open source software manages to ask for logo and thats it. Logos are hardly passion, in fact its boring and its not design.

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