Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

Backpage Raided, CEO Arrested on Sex-Trafficking Charges

abcnews.go.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

301–308 of 308 posts

Re: Backpage Raided, CEO Arrested on Sex-Trafficking Charges

#301

Post by cholantesh »

empthought wrote: post #294
cholantesh wrote: post #293

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You aren't purchasing the person and agency of a person when you engage the services of a sex worker, and it isn't yet established that sex work is inherently abusive. Miles of digital ink wasted on just-so stories do not suffice for evidence.

http://www.spinifexpress.com.au/Bookstore/book/id=285/ http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/relationships/sex/i-clutche... http://www.prostitutionresearch.com/pdf/Prostitutionin9Count... "Just-so stories," k bud. Tell yourself whatever lies you need to in order to condone johns and pimps; I can't stop you.

The vast majority of your posts in this thread are variants on "You hate women, you cryptofascist". When presented with a lengthy rebuttal of your claims that cited a UN report on white slavery, your only rejoinder was to continue in this vein. Methinks you care less about the dignity and safety of women and more about feeling like a martyr.

Re: Backpage Raided, CEO Arrested on Sex-Trafficking Charges

#302

Post by tn13 »

1024core wrote: post #299
tn13 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is it that in such cases, the government reaches for the CEO right away; War on sex is new War on Drugs. By going after the CEO they are setting a precedent. They want to make sure no investor would invest into something that challenges government authority. Wells Fargo CEO will not be touched for the same reason why big banks get bailouts, Hillary clinton is not in jail and Obama is still a president despite k…

> and Obama is still a president despite killing thousands of innocent people around earth. Why not Bush? He's the fucking moron who started it all because he had daddy issues, and killed way more innocents ( > 300,000 ) than Obama??

Obama is just an mechanism. In case of Iraq war I think Bush and a large part of his administration must be jailed.

Re: Backpage Raided, CEO Arrested on Sex-Trafficking Charges

#303

Post by tn13 »

GVIrish wrote: post #217
tn13 wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Why is it that in such cases, the government reaches for the CEO right away; War on sex is new War on Drugs. By going after the CEO they are setting a precedent. They want to make sure no investor would invest into something that challenges government authority. Wells Fargo CEO will not be touched for the same reason why big banks get bailouts, Hillary clinton is not in jail and Obama is still a president despite k…

> Hillary clinton is not in jail Ugh not this again. Hillary is not in jail because her actions did not rise to the level of criminal prosecution. Look at General Petraeus. He willfully gave highly classified material to his mistress. He got a plea deal and didn't serve any time. So how is it that Clinton who did not intentionally divulge classified material nor put an authorized server on the classified network, now…

You can be a Hillary apologist for the sake of political arguments. The thing is if I had done the exact same thing I would be termed a traitor and put in jail.

Re: Backpage Raided, CEO Arrested on Sex-Trafficking Charges

#304

Post by Anderkent »

DanBC wrote: post #284
Anderkent wrote: post #232

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Eh, apologies. Mostly a cheap shot. It does seem to me people in USA are more prudish about sex and overprotective of children, to the point of denying the underage any agency. But it's a more nuanced discussion, and it's easier to write a snark.

When we find a child who is paid to provide sex we almost always find someone who has been subject to coercive abuse. It is very rare that we find children who freely make that choice. Protecting children from that harm --and it is very severe harm-- is important.

Wouldn't this mostly be because of what your search process is biased to find? I won't pretend to know how this is investigated, AFAIK no agency is remotely interested in 'finding' the teenage girls who trade their bodies for either money or gifts in school or shopping galeries; it seems natural that most detected cases would be rape and/or abuse, as it's certainly more noticeable.

Re: Backpage Raided, CEO Arrested on Sex-Trafficking Charges

#305

Post by Anderkent »

DanBC wrote: post #283
Anderkent wrote: post #196

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Only in America you would think that a 16 or 17 year old would never choose to have sex for benefits unless forced into it.

I'm not american. And I didn't say "never", I said in the vast majority. And the child we're talking about here is 15, not 16 or 17. Your comment was wrong on every point.

I've apologised for the 'US' comment in the other thread. It was out of place. However, I don't think you're being entirely fair either.

FWIW, you said 'Notably, in the UK some police forces were saying that children could chose to become prostitutes, and these children were promiscuous.', implying that what they said was incorrect, and children could never choose to become prostitutes.

If you only meant the 'vast majority' of children doesn't want to become prostitutes, then I don't know what the point of the quote was.

Similarly, nothing about your parent post mentions an age range more specific than 'children', which by default I take to mean anyone legally underage and thus not allowed to make decisions.

15, 16, 17, what's the difference? Somewhere between 12 and 18 both boys and girls become interested in sex; some of them will want to use it to gain higher status.

Re: Backpage Raided, CEO Arrested on Sex-Trafficking Charges

#306

Post by anon12345690 »

empthought wrote: post #60
anon12345690 wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You have a strange definition of "coercing" This isnt rape, it's just paying for an exchange. If a person doesn't want to use their body, they're free not to. Manual labor also involves using your body with wear and tear, it's not that different or special.

If that's the fiction you need to tell yourself to avoid feeling shame at condoning the use of prostitutes, I guess I can't really stop you.

I could say the same about your definition and motivation to "help" sex workers who don't need it or want it.

Re: Backpage Raided, CEO Arrested on Sex-Trafficking Charges

#307

Post by anon12345690 »

empthought wrote: post #289
makomk wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Which is to say, it's about imposing morality. You want to force these people into options they've already decided are worse than having sex for money because you're more comfortable with them earning money that way, and your moral judgement is more important than their freedom.

No, I want men to stop thinking that exploiting the economic and social disadvantages of women is an acceptable way to get sex. Because I'm a decent human being and would like other men to be decent human beings.

WTF, you're so ridiculously one-sided about this in both thought and action. It seems you dont know what decent means either. Stop thinking you know better for the entire industry.

Re: Backpage Raided, CEO Arrested on Sex-Trafficking Charges

#308

Post by anon12345690 »

empthought wrote: post #266
tuxracer wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Based on what you've said so should the patrons of any service if the worker is providing a service they wouldn't otherwise be providing if they weren't being paid to do so.

No, because it's not a human rights violation to pay someone to clean a toilet. It is a human rights violation to pay someone for sex.

You also don't know what human rights are.
Post reply on HN