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What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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that is ridiculous, do you have evidence to back that statement up?

If you consider anecdotal evidence then I have received, with no negotiation, similar (statistically identical) offers in low cost of living areas and high cost of living areas.

I'd love to know where. Not trying to be snarky.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #177

I'm quite surprised - $2.06 on staffing seemed steep, so obviously read on as I was thinking that there must be a lot of employees. But 8? OK, I'm just a teacher, and I earn around £30k a year... not the kind of figures I've seen bandied about on here for graduate programmers who seem to be pulling in 8-10 times that for their first job... So I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the payroll (which I doubt would ha…

The pay discrepancy between teachers and programmers in San Francisco is really bad. - School districts in SF and Oakland are short dozens of teachers -- imagine having sixty classrooms on the first day of school where there is no teacher. (e.g. http://www.sfgate.com/education/article/Bay-Area-school-dist... from last year) - San Francisco is basically building "dorms" for teachers to give them a place to live: http:…

> The pay discrepancy between teachers and programmers in San Francisco is really bad.

I'd say, 'reflects the distribution of skills and positions available' rather than 'is really bad.' There is at least an order of magnitude more people capable of being minimally-acceptable public-school teachers than are capable of being minimally-acceptable Silicon Valley programmers.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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If companies that uses Let's Encrypt would chip in just 1/10th of what they'd pay for certificate from for profit providers, then Let's Encrypt won't be in need of donation anytime soon.

ICANN could just fund the whole thing.

That'd be a bit ironic, ICANN funding a project to verify assigned names and numbers because decades ago folks decided they couldn't trust ICANN to do its job.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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I wish there was a way to donate money towards a fund - like, give $100USD, that goes into some index fund, and then LetsEncrypt withdraws $3.50 (as per https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Safe_withdrawal_rates ) a year until the sun burns out. I'd much rather spend my money knowing its a small ways toward making this kind of thing self sustainable.

If Let's Encrypt believes that's the best way to spend their money, they'll do that. Do you think you've thought more about their sustainability than they have?

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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people who seriously know how to code mission critical X.590 root CA PKI infrastructure are not cheap when you're looking at total benefits/compensation per head.

Creating a certificate is easy.

How about creating hundreds of millions of certificates, developing a new standard protocol to interoperate with CAs, managing millions of registered users, managing certificate revocation, logging to certificate transparency logs, running OSCP responders, developing clients for a wide variety of platforms, and keeping up with the latest happenings in the crypto world?

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #59

I'm quite surprised - $2.06 on staffing seemed steep, so obviously read on as I was thinking that there must be a lot of employees. But 8? OK, I'm just a teacher, and I earn around £30k a year... not the kind of figures I've seen bandied about on here for graduate programmers who seem to be pulling in 8-10 times that for their first job... So I'd be interested to see a breakdown of the payroll (which I doubt would ha…

I suspect salaries for software developers in San Francisco are just a bit mad. The numbers floating around suggest more than twice what you'd get paid working on hedge fund software in London, which is in turn maybe 3 times more than an ordinary software developer elsewhere in the UK. (If it makes you feel any better, I earn less than you working as a software developer in the UK.)

The hedge fund and biz companies are not getting the VC money chasing the unicorns, whose crazy valuations are propped up by cheap money.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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people who seriously know how to code mission critical X.590 root CA PKI infrastructure are not cheap when you're looking at total benefits/compensation per head.

Creating a certificate is easy.

Have you tried writing that code from scratch without any libraries?

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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I wish there was a way to donate money towards a fund - like, give $100USD, that goes into some index fund, and then LetsEncrypt withdraws $3.50 (as per https://www.bogleheads.org/wiki/Safe_withdrawal_rates ) a year until the sun burns out. I'd much rather spend my money knowing its a small ways toward making this kind of thing self sustainable.

If Let's Encrypt believes that's the best way to spend their money, they'll do that. Do you think you've thought more about their sustainability than they have?

I'm not talking about how Let's Encrypt spends it's money, I'm talking about how I spend mine :)

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #119

To Let's Encrypt: if you guys took bitcoins as donation I would give $10 in an instant. The friction of filling out this long Paypal form is just too high for $10... http://i.imgur.com/oZZWeuG.png (And, no, I don't have a Paypal account.) Make it easy to give, and you will receive more donations! Edit: I am not the only one who wants to donate BTC! Bitcoin was the number one request asked last year: https://twitter.c…

Unfortunately, the historical precedent is that demand for bitcoin payments in polls and online forums is much greater than the actual demand if they actually go through the trouble of accepting accepting payments.

Re: What It Costs to Run Let's Encrypt

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post #90

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But they'd still be competing with Silicon Valley for top-end developers, who are going to be asking for a salary equivalent to their skills. You might save a little once you factor cost of living adjustments, though you'll also have to offset that with increased difficulty in finding the right person. Folks who know security well enough to do this correctly are rare. You don't want to farm out critical X.509 infrast…

What do Verisign, RSA, Comodo and GlobalSign have in common? Not being in SF.

I didn't say you had to be in SF. Just that you'll be competing with SF for talent.
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