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How many up votes does that comment have? I want to know how many HNers are so offended by diversity initiatives that they will lobby companies to boycott github.
45. This is not a diversity initiative. It is a pitchfork initiative. Show the whiteman!
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45. This is not a diversity initiative. It is a pitchfork initiative. Show the whiteman!
You shouldn't become outraged so easily.
"don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon so let's limit their scope of damage"
So when this guy makes workshops to spread his bigotry he is fighting for inclusion and when I speak up I am fighting against diversity initiatives? Are you for real?
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One of the founding principles of open source is that you can take a copy of someone's work and make changes to it (as long as you continue to make the changes public). Github isn't open source so the analogy doesn't quite hold, but they're creating something and giving it to the community (as well as building a business).
> One of the founding principles of open source is that you can take a copy of someone's work and make changes to it (as long as you continue to make the changes public) Also as long as you acknowledge it. It’s acceptable to copy a FOSS project and make a new one on top of it but you have to mention it; you can’t just create a copycat and claim you invented everything by yourself, especially if you start making money…
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> One of the founding principles of open source is that you can take a copy of someone's work and make changes to it (as long as you continue to make the changes public) Also as long as you acknowledge it. It’s acceptable to copy a FOSS project and make a new one on top of it but you have to mention it; you can’t just create a copycat and claim you invented everything by yourself, especially if you start making money…
The guys at GitLab are usually quite open about this sort of thing (having copied this and that, etc). I don't think they've ever claimed to have invented anything they have not.
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So, whites cannot be discriminated against? Sure, whites have messed up. Still do. But does that mean they can't be discriminated against?
Basically that's the new school of thought. Look at the Wikipedia page on Racism, for instance. It's a tactic that's been around for a long time. Redefine words. Then pretend everyone's using your new, made-up definitions, and claim you've won the argument. Maybe I'm just starting to notice it, but the level of doublespeak is really astounding these days.
Racism for example means BOTH the individual belief in superiority/inferiority of a particular race AND the societal/systematic belief.
This is why there are debates about whether Racism still exists in America, or whether discrimination against White people is racist. It depends on the context.
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You shouldn't become outraged so easily.
And I think your opinion is tainted. "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon so let's limit their scope of damage" So when this guy makes workshops to spread his bigotry he is fighting for inclusion and when I speak up I am fighting against diversity initiatives? Are you for real?
If you are doing a FOSS project not hosted on GitLab, you could also host your project website on http://statichosting.co/ for $5 a month.
Static hosting for $5 a month seems too high. If it would be $1 I might use it. But for $10 a month you can get a good VPS that you can use for any hosting needs (including a gitlab/gogs/whatever instance and a demo of your project (if it's on the web)).
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Basically that's the new school of thought. Look at the Wikipedia page on Racism, for instance. It's a tactic that's been around for a long time. Redefine words. Then pretend everyone's using your new, made-up definitions, and claim you've won the argument. Maybe I'm just starting to notice it, but the level of doublespeak is really astounding these days.
I don't think it's necessarily doublespeak, it's that people actually use the terms differently. Racism for example means BOTH the individual belief in superiority/inferiority of a particular race AND the societal/systematic belief. This is why there are debates about whether Racism still exists in America, or whether discrimination against White people is racist. It depends on the context.
No one's talking past anyone. It's obvious what's going on. They don't want to admit that non-Xs can be terribly racist. So they flip words around so they can, at worst, say "well they may have prejudice". They invent stuff like "reverse racism".
And in fact, that's what Github's code of conduct enshrines.
It's intellectually dishonest.
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You shouldn't become outraged so easily.
And I think your opinion is tainted. "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon so let's limit their scope of damage" So when this guy makes workshops to spread his bigotry he is fighting for inclusion and when I speak up I am fighting against diversity initiatives? Are you for real?
People cannot be taught empathy through corporate courses. It doesn't matter if they are straight, male, or whatever. Probably mentioned male middle managers because management is mostly male. I'm not this easily offended.
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And I think your opinion is tainted. "don't think we'll succeed teaching white, male middle managers empathy and compassion anytime soon so let's limit their scope of damage" So when this guy makes workshops to spread his bigotry he is fighting for inclusion and when I speak up I am fighting against diversity initiatives? Are you for real?
Come on you guys.
But it is hilarious that posts on gender and race issue get flagged to death, posts about class are always voted to the top, and anything that threatens the status quo spurs outrage.