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Re: Obama on Fetishizing Our Phones

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Re: Re: Obama on Fetishizing Our Phones

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>Privacy will die, not because it's undesirable or a bad idea, it'll die like copyright and DRM - because it's technically and economically easy to defeat, and people will be motivated to do so. >[Please refute - I genuinely have nightmares about this future] Um, this is pretty easy to refute: we've been complaining about copyright and DRM for ages now, and not only are they not waning, they're at least as strong now…

I don't really recognise any of what you're describing here - it's trivial to download almost any copyrighted work in seconds, for free, and basically nobody suffers any consequences for doing so. Even so, it was just an analogy. There's very little stopping people just following you round recording you on their smartphone as it is. When it's semi-autonomous flying robots the size of a grain of rice, I don't believe…

You're not talking about downloading copyright works, you were talking about "the death of copyright". Copyright isn't dead, it's alive and well, regardless of how easy it is to download stuff.

Not only that, while it may be easy to download stuff, it's also easy to be sued for it, and this has happened countless times. There's been a whole industry of suing downloaders and getting them to settle for $3k. So your assertion that "nobody suffers any consequences for doing so" is quite false. Ask Jammie Thomas.

Yes, you can largely avoid this by using a VPN, but not that many people do.

Re: Re: Obama on Fetishizing Our Phones

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This sounds like a bunch of crap (re: the warrant for Enron's corporate office). I admit I'm not aware of exactly what the legalities are right now, but for the sake of argument, I don't see why the government shouldn't be able to secretly bug a corporate office, provided that a proper warrant is in place . So yeah, if they get a warrant to do so and convince a judge that this is necessary, they should be able to get…

I'm not a lawyer, but aren't you supposed to be notified of warrants? Sure, they could knock on your door and break in to serve a warrant if you're not home, but aren't they required to notify you they've done so? First google search returned this: http://criminal-law.freeadvice.com/criminal-law/arrests_and_...

No, you don't have to be notified. Have you never heard of a wiretap? They've been doing wiretaps for as long as telephones have been around (about a century now, I think). Obviously you don't have to notify a suspect that they're being tapped.

As for your link, that's completely irrelevant: that only talks about when officers are allowed to enter your home when you're there. It doesn't even mention what the law is if no one's home. It does say they're allowed to enter if they announce their presence and no one answers after some time. It does not mention whether they have to notify you, and the reasons they'd be busting down your door after announcing themselves are totally different from the reasons they'd be spying on you, so these aren't even comparable scenarios.

Jeesh, all you have to do is watch TV for the last 50 years or so: police (or other law enforcement investigators, more likely FBI) absolutely can and do spy on people with warrants, including using "bugs". They've been doing this for ages, it's nothing new. And until recently, there was a legal process for this, requiring a proper warrant.

Re: Re: Obama on Fetishizing Our Phones

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I'm not so sure about all this. Bernie's been in Washington for decades as a Congressman, so he's been exposed to the same stuff, and his worldview is completely different from Obama's. Before he was elected, Obama had very little experience in Washington; he didn't even serve a full Senate term, and mostly voted "present". He just told us what we wanted to hear, and didn't have much of a record backing up his rhetor…

Note that Bernie and Hillary have both said they believe middle ground can be sought on this issue. As strange as it may sound, the Clintons did the most for the pro-encryption side of this debate. Former President Clinton passed CALEA, which TechDirt points out applies to "manufacturers and providers of telecommunications support services" [1]. Also from CALEA, > (1) Design of features and systems configurations. Th…

>As strange as it may sound, the Clintons did the most for the pro-encryption side of this debate. Former President Clinton passed CALEA

Huh? You must be too young to remember the Clinton presidency, but Clinton's administration made a huge push to force everyone to use the "Clipper" chip for encryption, which would have both mandated a specific type of (not-so-strong) encryption and given the government the keys for it through key-escrow. We're really lucky that Clinton couldn't get that one through Congress, but to claim that the Clintons are pro-encryption is being completely ignorant about history. They're only pro-key-escrowed encryption.

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Not quite. Some people on this are absolutists, and some aren't. If we could create a safe back door, some would be in favor of doing that, and some wouldn't. That's distinct from us not having a way to create a safe back door. One problem I see us having (and I've seen this on Facebook) is that some people think that we are saying we can't create a safe back door because we don't want to. And I think they're getting…

> If we could create a safe back door, some would be in favor of doing that, and some wouldn't. That's distinct from us not having a way to create a safe back door. I've seen a tiny handful of comments like that and other comments about how they're fine if it isn't completely safe in order to "protect the country". Is there any data to even know for sure what the majority of common people think about encryption and b…

I don't think a "near majority" needs to think that for this to be a useful approach.

When people can't engage on the substance, they fall back on human heuristics. E.g., bedside manner is important in doctors because people will generally stop listening to doctors they don't find trustworthy.

You're welcome to try to educate the populace on the subtleties of crypto. My guess is that the number of people who will sit still for that is pretty small, but maybe I'm wrong. In case I'm right, though, I think a useful backup would be displaying empathy for the (reasonable) societal goals that are driving this push for back doors.

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I'm giving Bernie Sanders one last chance. But if he is elected and also reneges on his promises, I will probably stop caring about politics permanently. edit: Whoops! Shouldn't have revealed I'm a Bernie supporter. Forgot that HN is a libertarian paradise!

I think people put too much importance on the role of the president with regards to domestic policy. You can't expect the president to effect change if congress opposes the president 100% of the time. Electing Bernie won't make a huge difference if the republicans still control congress.

The president has an enormous amount of power. The executive branch has been steadily expanding its power since the beginning of the country.

Consider, for example, a Sanders DOJ vs. a Trump DOJ? (I suspect a Trump FBI would be primarily interested in cataloging and spying on anyone critical of Trump or of Muslim faith, essentially use COINTELPRO as a starting point, but make it better and stronger and do good deals). What about a Sanders DEA? EPA? DHS? The executive can do nearly anything if they are bold enough. The executive can ignore the judicial branch ("He has made his ruling, now let him enforce it"), the legislative branch (subpoenas from congress? About illegal leaks of classified information for political purposes concerning Valerie Plame? Please direct the law enforcement officers with weapons in your branch to serve them. You don't have any?)

I believe Sanders would refrain from using executive power to make things worse, while I am certain all of the other candidates would not refrain. Hillary will not differ from Obama nor does she claim to. Trump's shtick is to be an American dictator, an executive strong man who advocates violence and abuse towards anyone who disagrees with him and acts as an outlet for racism and hate and anger. Imagine if he had an army of FBI, DHS, NSA agents at his beck and call.

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I'm not sure if anyone could really stand up to the rest of Washington for 8 years, without going in as such a zealot in some way that you might not really want them as President. Ted Cruz/Paul Ryan/Ron Paul might be the closest thing to that. Bernie Sanders, maybe, although I'd have a hard time seeing him maintain an 8 year long fight. Everyone else is basically establishment to some degree (Trump doesn't strike me…

I think Sanders could maintain. I could be wrong, but he has a pretty long record of doing the right thing (from my perspective) and I'm not sure what else you're supposed to vote for if not his / her record? Charisma? Promises? Anger?

I think Sanders is more ideological than most credible candidates in history (which is a lot of the appeal); same as Ted Cruz. (just polar opposites on ideology)

They're both pretty exceptional as top-2 candidates for their party nomination for that reason, compared to historical trends.

Re: Re: Obama on Fetishizing Our Phones

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"the public will be putting their data within reach of every hacker in the world through a government-imposed weakness" You're reusing arguments about key escrow in a way that doesn't apply. This isn't key escrow. It's about software updates, which use digital signing in the way it's supposed to be used. Apple's software updates are guarded by a private key. Of course they need to keep the private key safe, but somet…

> If keeping a private key safe is impossible even for a well-funded company like Apple, public key encryption doesn't work. Game over. Funny, FBI Director James Comey says the same thing [1] And, the DOJ has suggested that if Apple does create the requested tool, then they can just give the source code and key to the FBI [2] I think we know where you stand on this issue. [1] https://youtu.be/g1GgnbN9oNw?t=2h43m12s […

Do you? Actually I'm strongly against anyone having to turn over a private key to the government.

Re: Re: Obama on Fetishizing Our Phones

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Nearly universally in the US, hand over heart during the playing of the US National Anthem is a biggie. A lot of highly patriotic US citizens could get all wound up about that. Each of Hillary and Richardson put their hand over their heart. It's a free country, so you are welcome to your opinion, but what Obama did would be telling to a huge fraction of US citizens and, thus, some telling background for someone askin…

"My Muslim faith": http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMUgNg7aD8M Some people will look at that clip and conclude that Obama just misspoke or was repeating something McCain didn't say but might have, etc. I appreciate you posting that video. Watching, I feel that clearly the context is "John McCain himself hasn't said that I'm a Muslim but he insinuates it", and that he's just phrasing it as a counterfactual. I was inter…

To me Obama is a subject I wish I'd never heard about. I don't want to know about Obama. But I am a US citizen and, thus, basically need to try to understand him. To understand him is, as usual for people, not an exact science, but I have to try.

My first conclusion is that no way before he leaves office will he really say what or who he is. Not a chance. So, instead, he is putting on an act, much more than nearly anyone else. I do believe that he enjoys his acting and coming close to the line of revealing enough to let people draw conclusions but still leaving some ambiguity. He enjoys toying with the public perception of him without having the public draw serious, actual conclusions much like a cat can enjoy toying with a mouse without actually killing it.

IMHO, he gets away with his acting because the mainstream media (MSM) and nearly everyone in US public life want the Obama presidency to look successful, care about that even more than Obama does.

For most of the more important policy actions of the US in the last year or so, I have to conclude that they are very different from everything about Obama before a year ago, e.g., in the last year, what the US is finally actually doing against ISIS, the Chinese activity in the South China Sea, what North Korea is doing, and some US military advanced weapons programs. And I would include US diplomatic interactions with Netanyahu and Israel.

So, my guess is that Obama didn't direct or even approve of those policy changes. Then, meanwhile, Obama talks about letting 100,000+ Syrians into the US (I'll bet it won't happen), flies off to Hawaii for a long golf vacation, says that ISIS is "contained", shows up in Paris to claim that climate change is the most serious problem, or some such, and gave his recent call for essentially back doors on everything with an electron -- point, none of those are activities of a serious POTUS. So, for the past year, Obama has not been a serious POTUS. So, a guess is that in effect he is no longer the POTUS and that about a year ago a committee of leaders had a chat with Obama and told him the good news, he gets to stay in office and work on his golf game and jump shot, have bro dinners in the White House, etc. And more good news: He doesn't have to bother himself or lose sleep or interrupt his golf game to think about the work of POTUS. And the alternative? He leaves office right away. More evidence is the Ryan budget -- it was totally bipartisan and in other ways outrageous. So, in getting that budget passed something was up, and I can't believe that Obama had anything to do with it.

But the above is just the simple, superficial, easy to observe stuff about Obama.

For a real answer to your question, I should not answer dishonestly or answer honestly in public. Ask me again this time next year. I do suspect that at about this time next year will come out some tell all books from some Administration insiders, Congressional staffers, etc. that will be well beyond anything commonly discussed now. The US will have been seen to have "dodged a bullet", that some patriots came together and saved the country from a serious threat.

It's a free country. You can have your opinion. You asked for mine, and I gave a little. You can continue for yourself from there.

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Clearly it's easy, right? If you've never give through the experience of hiring good people, you have absolutely no clue how difficult it is. So convenient to drive from the back seat though, yeah? I never said Trump was "right". I said he's been a step ahead every time, which he has. But it's easy to trivialize things and call him an asshole because it fits your narrative. Walk a mile in those shoes and then tell me…

I'm sure it's hard to do well. My point is that Trump hasn't done well. The fact that he built a not particularly successful business empire with inherited money doesn't say much about his skills or smarts. Hiring good people is hard, for sure. Has Trump ever done it?

I find this line laughable. Everyone seems to think that turning a million into billions is a cakewalk.

Most people wouldn't even know where to begin and would lose their minds during any downturn. The others would buy a small house and whither away savings. The rest would waste it all on idiocy.

If you're running a billion dollar empire and it hasn't burnt to the ground, you can be sure that he's hired good people.

Why don't you go put $1,000,000 in a market simulator and tell me how your "shell scripts" do over the next 20 years.

Given that you haven't answered the original question, I'm guessing that you have hired very few or even zero people ever?

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He is selling exactly what a serious amount of people in this country want. If you don't know that then you don't understand America. Go work in a factory for a year.

Except that he cannot provide it. Most of his proposals would require to overturn centuries of laws and other American traditions. Promising that is akin to trying to sell the statue of liberty.

Building a border? Forcing existing immigration laws to be upheld?
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