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SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’

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I think he does have a point... but he could have put it better. I live in SF too; for ~10 years. I have never seen it this bad. The City passed a "sit/lie" law a couple of years ago.. but it's never enforced. The City is spending $1M/month ... for housing 225 people[1]. Do the math, and you'll see how ridiculous is that. At that rate, how much do you think the City can spend on the homeless? It has 7000 homeless, an…

The subject is more nuanced than this. Firstly, you need to examine the reason why people are on the streets. Generally, it falls into three categories: 1. 'Normal' People with mental illness, and no support network 2. 'Normal' People who have lost their financial stability. 3. Rest (Choice, Addiction, etc. by far the smallest group) The key thing to note here is that with very, very few exceptions, everyone living o…

> The key thing to note here is that with very, very few exceptions, everyone living on the street was a 'normal' person.

That is where you are dead wrong. I would highly recommend you walk down 13th street (aka Duboce or Division, can't remember) and talk to the people living in the tent colony lining it. I have; it used to be my way to work till the hassle became too much and I started taking a detour. I would posit and say 100% of them are there by some sort of choice (not following the rules of the shelter is a huge #1). Drugs, alcohol and theft (bike, specially) are rife there.

I live in SF, and just can't stand the holier-than-thou approach taken by those who have not experienced SF's homeless firsthand. These are not your "lost my job and house and am forced to live out of my car" homeless; these are people, most of whom made a conscious decision to come to SF because they're attracted by the generous benefits, or got hounded out of whatever city they were in.

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I just wanted to add, there are six empty homes for every homeless person in the US.

http://themindunleashed.org/2014/02/18600000-vacant-homes-un...

And that Detroit is/has bulldozed 20 or more square miles of empty homes.

http://michiganradio.org/post/detroit-has-tons-vacant-land-f...

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What is a "SF tech bro"? In this context it seems to be intended as some kind of slur, or there is at least some negative connotation here. It's a man who works in tech who... what exactly?

"Bro" has become a generic term for a young man with an inflated sense of self worth, a low opinion of others, a macho attitude, and a loud voice. Think of a stereotypical fraternity member.

Somehow that does _not_ describe most young geeks that I have known. How did we simultaneously come to be known as unable to look strangers in the eye _and_ have an inflated sense of self worth?

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I have no idea how things are in SF, but i can see how "the other bros" in SF found a scapegoat to cover up their own indifference to these people. At least this guy complained. Did "the righteous ones" do anythign for the homeless?

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It does seems like anyone under 40 is now a millennial. The most recent clear definition I have heard is anyone born between 1980 and 2000. So anyone ~16 and under is a new generation, currently called Gen. Z, but they may get another name soon. It does seem like the media is absorbing Gen X into millennials now for some reason. I don't know why. Baby Boomers vs everyone else?

I'm 38. I can relate to millennials, but I'm not one. I know many people my age that can't relate at all.

It helps to keep in mind these groups are just constructs to help sociologists talk about large groups of people. While they're good for talking about differences in generations, no single person is going to fit into any generational group perfectly. On top of that, it doesn't help that news outlets like to oversimplify these things for juicy headlines.

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Getting flashbacks here. http://valleywag.gawker.com/startup-stud-hates-homeless-peop... http://valleywag.gawker.com/happy-holidays-startup-ceo-compl... Semi-surprised to see this crop up again when the outrage over these incidents was pretty severe and infamous.

Thats probably because no tech person reads valleyrag, for the same reason that no normal person reads "newsletter of the insane communists party" and that The Sun is mostly known for the lady with the big tits on page 3.

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The city spends $167 million [1] for a homeless population no larger than 15,000 (and probably closer to 7,000) [2]. The wealthy city isn't leaving anyone to his or her fate. To the contrary, it's expending vast amounts of wealth with precious little to show for it. [1] http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/matier-ross/article/S-F-spendi... [2] https://sfgov.org/lhcb/sites/sfgov.org.lhcb/files/2015%20San...

That's between 12k and 20k per person. Way less than you'd need to provide accommodation and treatment for a person with mental illness. It's not surprising it doesn't work.

That's just the city's spending though. There (edit: is) other money: state and federal, private donations, churches, the VA system, and so on.

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Why does every comment on here need to be cited? Nobody is writing a research paper through HN comments. We're just having a conversation.

Because on HN it's considered poor form to say "I think you're full of shit" or "I don't like what you're saying", instead it's better to say "got a source?". It casts doubt on the truthfulness or provenance of the original poster's assertion, while still looking polite.

I'm well aware of why people do it. It's rude regardless. If you disagree with someone either use those little arrows next to the post, make a counter-argument, or STFU.

Posting "you're full of shit" or "citation needed" is lazy and rude. You don't want to speak up with something more sensible? Fine. That's why those little arrows next to the comment exist. Don't post rude garbage instead.

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> sleep in the cold Are we talking about the same city here? I'd call SF "occasionally chilly" at best. That's part of why so many homeless people gravitate to CA; if you're sleeping outdoors there are many, many worse climates for it. > The coldest day of the year is December 26, with an average low of 44°F and high of 55°F. https://weatherspark.com/averages/31587/San-Francisco-Califo... Related: did you know that w…

>did you know that windows can crack from thermal stress like cookware that you cool too rapidly? This is called thermal shock [1]. Basically thermal expansion mismatches cause internal stress beyond the material's Ultimate Tensile Stress and causes a fracture. It's the underpinning to how tattoo removal works too.

Please can you elaborate a bit on the tattoo link? Sounds interesting.

Re: SF tech bro: ‘I shouldn’t have to see the pain, struggle, despair of homeless’

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The second article from a major media outlet about this guy? Yes, he's inconsiderate, but so what? If it were a blog post from a lawyer or school teacher, would the Post or the Guardian have cared? Would we see articles about a "Law Bro?"

The media, collectively, has it in for us. They keep using borderline derogatory labels for us in their articles like "coder" and "techie," and they publish hit pieces like the linked article smearing us as if we were some evil 1%, despite almost none of us making as much as the average dentist.

They are stripping us of what little prestige and respect we once had, and we are just letting them do it. And there's no shortage of programmers willing to argue with you that it's not even happening, and that there's nothing wrong non-technical English majors with an ax to grind attempting to re-brand us "coders" and our profession "coding."

This article (and the comments) are relevant:

http://chickenwing.software/scratches/programming/on-coders-...

https://www.reddit.com/r/programming/comments/45wzup/on_code...

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