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Re: Desktop Neo – rethinking the desktop interface for productivity

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Awesome.

This was a subtle reference to the tiling windows manager named awesome which can be configured to do much of what is show here.

Also, there is a few stuff that remember me a lot to plasma-tablet from KDE

Re: Desktop Neo – rethinking the desktop interface for productivity

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I want hierarchical tags, e.g. "comp.lang.ruby.rails" instead of just "ruby" and "rails". And of course, when I search "comp.lang.ruby", I want to see results from all of its children. The problem with traditional hierarchical organization is that objects often belong to multiple categories. With hierarchical tags, that problem disappears because you can easily assign multiple tags to the same object. Actually, we ca…

Do they really have to be hierarchical? Your example would work with AND.

What if I have two dozen ruby-related tags, not just rails? In order to search all of them without hierarchical tags, I would have to either add the "ruby" tag to all of them, or run a search with a lot of ANDs.

I already do this to some extent with my 11,000+ bookmarks on Pinboard. Entering the Usenet-style tags is really easy thanks to autocomplete, which also helps me avoid ending up with misspelled tags. Pinboard currently lacks searching by tag prefix, but it's trivial to script it locally using the API.

Re: Desktop Neo – rethinking the desktop interface for productivity

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would be funny if this guy became the next Jonathan Ive so we could see this feedback in a different light 10 years from now.

I'm perhaps in a minority here, but Jon Ive isn't that great. I mean my iphone should have a notice/indicator light on the front. It wouldn't have been that hard to put an LED behind the glass so that if I leave my phone in the other room and I receive a message or something, then simply walking past my phone, the blinking light will catch my attention.

I think you are also in a minority wanting that blinking light. I don't even want email notifications when I am logged into my phone.

Re: Desktop Neo – rethinking the desktop interface for productivity

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Sure, if you avoid a product then you’re going to get stuck in the 'novice user' trap. IMO, the problem with a lot of these designs is they were created by and for frequent users. I remember Photoshop at being incredibly opaque to start, but you can also get used to it surprisingly quickly while regularly learning new things.

Not sure what you're getting at? The ribbon breaks office for frequent users. Around office 2003 I could have files, fonts, formatting and review all on the same amount of screen real estate as the ribbon. This was invaluable when working on complex documents. Post ribbon all that's forcibly broken up across multiple tabs. Instead I get giant buttons for functions I don't use permanently taking up space, rather the.…

You can still create custom ribbons. Screen real estate should be at slightly less premium now, so even if it's slightly worse I don't see that as a big deal.

https://support.office.com/en-us/article/Customize-the-ribbo...

Re: Desktop Neo – rethinking the desktop interface for productivity

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Fun fact: as @ziburski has acknowledged, he got some inspiration from Clayton Miller's 10/GUI (2009), and if anyone watches the video

https://vimeo.com/6712657

he will see how the organization in panels and not windows was called "con10uum" (min 3:30). I wonder if some Microsoft designer/VP/exec saw this and get the idea to put "Continuum" as one of the most important features of Windows 10.

Besides from that, great work, congratulations @ziburski. Like many others I miss shortcuts on a productivity environment, but this really could work.

Re: Desktop Neo – rethinking the desktop interface for productivity

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Keyboard shortcuts have good discoverability in most applications, because they're listed alongside the drop-down menu options. If you use Edit->Copy a lot, you can see in the menu that there's a keyboard shortcut. Many of Apple's UI interactions can only be discovered through guesswork or reading the docs. If you open Launchpad often, nothing alerts you to the fact that there's a touchpad gesture for that. Unlabeled…

The lack of discoverability extends to OSX's keyboard shortcuts as well. I completely changed how I work after I discovered 'Command Tab' and 'Command ~'

The discoverability is there, but not in the wild of the OS; it's in the Settings panel. Better yet, it's configurable (and powerful).

    Settings > Keyboard > Shortcuts > Keyboard
Ditto that for the touchpad (including animated examples)

    Settings > Trackpad > ...
Perhaps we as power users are just used to not having to visit these locations?

Re: Desktop Neo – rethinking the desktop interface for productivity

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The ability to just pull a project of this scale to completion is something that virtually no 21 year old has. That alone is worth something to a company with some sense. There's obviously a strong foundation for the hard skills (like visual design or prototyping or copywriting) that can be easily built upon in the field. That's the whole point of an internship: find a hard worker with a good foundation, teach them h…

> The ability to just pull a project of this scale to completion is something that virtually no 21 year old has. Undergrad final year projects demand a similar investment of time, effort and view of the big picture. It's something we do in the UK - not sure about the US and others.

Yes, you are also paying/being graded on the work. That's a whole lot of direct incentive that isn't present for a project like this.

Re: Desktop Neo – rethinking the desktop interface for productivity

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I do think you are on a good path with tags. Back when I went to Gmail from a folder type email representation, it was hard at first. But search proved superior. Basically, a lot of organizational time investment had no return. Getting better at search always has a return, and you save all the laborious folder management. I've taken to one or two big directories filled with reference material, docs, pictures, etc...…

My beef with search-based, tag-based UIs are they are not great at browsing content. Sometimes I want to just review and look at older content, not search for one particular thing.

I will plug in a date, but yes, agreed.

Re: Desktop Neo – rethinking the desktop interface for productivity

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The biggest thing I find lacking in desktop UI is the ability to save and switch between states. We need the idea of project 'sessions' where I can open up the software I need to use, pull up the files I need, set my favorite folders, etc and then hit 'save' and be able to restore back to that setup at the click of a button. Right now, switching between projects means setting all that up every single time.

State preservation, generally , is a huge failing of computing. From losing my desktop arrangements in Linux between reboots (or even logins), to Web tools that lose comments and posts, etc. Being able to specify a workspace state and return to it is hugely significant. But that requires deep stateful awareness of pretty much every app, including terminals, and the command / console-mode tools running within them. Bu…

Agreed, where this would be tough to implement would be with all the individual programs and their states/settings. I guess you could sort of get around that by running everything in a virtual environment potentially?

Re: Desktop Neo – rethinking the desktop interface for productivity

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State preservation, generally , is a huge failing of computing. From losing my desktop arrangements in Linux between reboots (or even logins), to Web tools that lose comments and posts, etc. Being able to specify a workspace state and return to it is hugely significant. But that requires deep stateful awareness of pretty much every app, including terminals, and the command / console-mode tools running within them. Bu…

Agreed, where this would be tough to implement would be with all the individual programs and their states/settings. I guess you could sort of get around that by running everything in a virtual environment potentially?

Eventually you've got to restart something. Virtualisation actually adds a layer of complexity. Strikes me that's going the wrong way.
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