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Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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Post by 746F7475 » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 10:50 AM UTC

nathan_long wrote: post #299

746F7475 wrote: post #283

Am I only one who doesn't see a problem here? Sure it would be nice if company X allowed me to use cheaper Chinese knock-offs with their product, but to me, they are well within their rights to decide: "hey, we don't want competitors to benefit from our product(s)" In essense Phillips put money into R&D and marketing and if you are to believe the linked article into making smart lightbulbs mainstream. That shit is no…

> to me, they are well within their rights to decide: "hey, we don't want competitors to benefit from our product(s)" I'd say: the products cease to be theirs when a someone buys them, and the consumer is the one who benefits from being able to choose competitor's products. Toyota did a lot of work designing my car, but they don't get a monopoly on selling me carpet mats. It's my car and I'll put what I want in there…

You can be upset all you want, but unless it was adverticed as "easily expandable" or whatever then your upset-itness doesn't matter.

I don't know what you are going on about carpets, but to relate it to topic: You are well within your rights to choose the actual lamp in which you use the bulbs.

I don't get why people use such bad examples/metaphores in this topic. Car just is nothing like a light bulb. Another shitty, but little better example would be a gaming consoles. You can't just make a game for new consoles and sell it in stores without going through Microsoft or Sony. Are they within their rights to restrict who can make what kind of games for their consoles? Are they entitled to profit off of each game sold? After all they "just" made the consoles, we buy them, shouldn't we get to choose which games we play and how we obtain them?

Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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Post by nathan_long » Thu, Dec 17, 2015, 9:23 PM UTC

746F7475 wrote: post #301

nathan_long wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> to me, they are well within their rights to decide: "hey, we don't want competitors to benefit from our product(s)" I'd say: the products cease to be theirs when a someone buys them, and the consumer is the one who benefits from being able to choose competitor's products. Toyota did a lot of work designing my car, but they don't get a monopoly on selling me carpet mats. It's my car and I'll put what I want in there…

You can be upset all you want, but unless it was adverticed as "easily expandable" or whatever then your upset-itness doesn't matter. I don't know what you are going on about carpets, but to relate it to topic: You are well within your rights to choose the actual lamp in which you use the bulbs. I don't get why people use such bad examples/metaphores in this topic. Car just is nothing like a light bulb. Another shitt…

> You can't just make a game for new consoles and sell it in stores without going through Microsoft or Sony. Are they within their rights to restrict who can make what kind of games for their consoles?

I think they're well within their rights to say "nobody can brand something as Microsoft or Sony except us", because that protects consumers.

I don't think they should be able to keep you from using the game system that you bought in whatever way you want. That includes reverse engineering it to design games for it or buying such games from someone else. They shouldn't have to guarantee that such games will work, but they shouldn't be able to keep you from trying, either.

Companies are way too quick to disregard consumer rights. You can't decide what to plug into the system we made. You can't decide what coffee pods to use with the coffeemaker we made. You can't decide what bread to cook in the toaster we made.

You know what? Yes I can, because I bought it and it's mine.

Re: Philips Hue blocks 3rd party lights

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Post by 746F7475 » Fri, Dec 18, 2015, 11:53 AM UTC

nathan_long wrote: post #302

746F7475 wrote: post #301

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can be upset all you want, but unless it was adverticed as "easily expandable" or whatever then your upset-itness doesn't matter. I don't know what you are going on about carpets, but to relate it to topic: You are well within your rights to choose the actual lamp in which you use the bulbs. I don't get why people use such bad examples/metaphores in this topic. Car just is nothing like a light bulb. Another shitt…

> You can't just make a game for new consoles and sell it in stores without going through Microsoft or Sony. Are they within their rights to restrict who can make what kind of games for their consoles? I think they're well within their rights to say "nobody can brand something as Microsoft or Sony except us", because that protects consumers. I don't think they should be able to keep you from using the game system tha…

But you are just renting the software, which makes the decisions