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Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0

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Re: Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0

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Post by brudgers »

kbenson wrote: post #296
brudgers wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The goal of Ruby is to make programmers happy. I started out to make a programming language that would make me happy, and as a side effect it’s made many, many programmers happy. Especially Web developers. But Ruby hasn’t reached developers who work on embedded devices, mobile devices, controllers, things like that. I hope to make them happy too. -- Matz [1] Larry Wall's comment recognizes Ruby culture and acknowledg…

Well, Ruby also has quite a bit of lineage in Perl , so there's another layer to that as well. I think a lot of Ruby programmers that are unfamiliar with Perl would be surprised with how similar they are in some respects.

It would not surprise me that parts of Perl made Matz happy.

Re: Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0

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Post by raiph »

jlarocco wrote: post #197
steveklabnik wrote: post #128

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At FOSDEM earlier this year, Larry gave the presentation they describe, and said that they were expecting a beta release at Christmas this year. So the general concept is legit, regardless of the site.

I don't see how that makes this look any more legitimate. The FOSDEM website says they had over 5000 people attending, so it's not like Larry's talk was a big secret. And Perl 6 has been right around the corner forever, so a fake "Perl 6 is released" page could seem timely and legit in concept at almost any time in the last 10 years. Even if it's true, if they want anybody to pay attention they should announce it on…

> if they want anybody to pay attention they should announce it on perl6.org or at least a more professional looking page.

Right. I think that's the intent -- this christmas.

But Larry can't stop someone posting an article that incorrectly suggests that 6.0.0 has been launched and then someone else posting an HN article/thread that you and lots of others (me too) decide to participate in.

Re: Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0

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Post by bgilroy26 »

dang wrote: post #211
bgilroy26 wrote: post #41

I love Perl [I have been to perl monger meetings and I had to look up how to 'unshift' in python today]. But Python3 is mostly just Python2 with a print function instead of a print keyword. It is occasionally non-trivial to port large existing code bases from Python2 to Python3, but it is practically always trivial for a Python2 programmer to write new code in Python3. I hope Perl 6 will get its own camel book!

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10342663 and marked it off-topic.

The mods are drunk with power!

: )

I commented because I didn't want the top comment to devolve into a Perl v. Python argument because I love both.

Looking at my comment now, it doesn't read as on topic.

Thank you for moderating. HN is my favorite place to read the news!

Re: Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0

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Post by prakashk »

acomjean wrote: post #276
Mithaldu wrote: post #261

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> 40 minutes later its trying to autoselect the same broken mirror Sounds like you're in a network with particularly misbehaved firewalls. The initial phase of the auto-setup is very fast, since it only checks file paths. The network part might be slow if some part of your network infrastructure messes with connections and cuts them without properly resetting, resulting in super long timeouts. Not sure what you expec…

Broken install = it didn't install. I had no idea why. I did get there after some hours of struggle . Part of the problem is the libraries on our system are everywhere. Sorry I sounded cranky, truthfully I'm probbly just unfamiliar. I'm a developer not an admin, just want to install packages. We developers love the package systems and cpan pioneered a lot of it. A great package manager goes a long was to helping a la…

See cpanminus [0].

From [1]:

    cpanminus (cpanm) is an attempt to make a zero-configuration client
    that automatically does the right thing for most users. It's also
    designed to run well on systems with limited resources (e.g. a VPS).
    It doesn't come with Perl, but it's easy to install.
    It integrates easily with local::lib.
[0] https://metacpan.org/pod/distribution/App-cpanminus/bin/cpan...

[1] http://stackoverflow.com/a/5862539

Re: Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0

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Post by odbol_ »

ubernostrum wrote: post #85
sp332 wrote: post #82

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Try putting two spaces at the beginning of a line to stop HN from eating the asterisks. > say 1, 2, 4, 2**32

Thank you. I spent far too long trying to figure out what sequence would start "1, 2, 4" and then have 232 be the 32nd item.

And therein lies the problem with Perl.

Re: Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0

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Post by odbol_ »

Mithaldu wrote: post #244
72deluxe wrote: post #239

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With things like this, it makes me glad I write C++ (and that gets bashed enough!). I do not miss the days of maintaining a Perl codebase (and trying to decipher what on earth code was doing). This is insane.

Perl is a language sufficiently different from the main bulk of languages that one must make an earnest effort to learn it before one can read it. Your complaint is similar to someone declaring Japanese insane just because of the way its writing system looks like gigantic and erratic complexity to the inexperienced.

So what is the advantage of using a language that is hard to learn and hard to understand?

Re: Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0

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Post by raiph »

oldmanjay wrote: post #300
Mithaldu wrote: post #244

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Perl is a language sufficiently different from the main bulk of languages that one must make an earnest effort to learn it before one can read it. Your complaint is similar to someone declaring Japanese insane just because of the way its writing system looks like gigantic and erratic complexity to the inexperienced.

You pretty clearly have an emotional attachment to Perl, which is sort of lovely to see, but it's causing you to be undeservedly condescending to people who don't have that attachment, which is not lovely.

> to be undeservedly condescending ... is not lovely.

It seems like you have just diagnosed someone's behavior without them asking for a diagnosis and your diagnosis is that they are being condescending. See the problem there?

And this followed what some might call undeserved condescension: "Pulling out my hair in frustration from trying to deal with Perl written by other people saved me all manner of haircut money in the 90s.".

If you think I'm being undeservedly condescending, and this isn't lovely, perhaps we can find another way to talk about Perl 6?

Re: Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0

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Post by dang »

bgilroy26 wrote: post #303
dang wrote: post #211

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We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10342663 and marked it off-topic.

The mods are drunk with power! : ) I commented because I didn't want the top comment to devolve into a Perl v. Python argument because I love both. Looking at my comment now, it doesn't read as on topic. Thank you for moderating. HN is my favorite place to read the news!

Thanks for being so nice about it!

What ends up becoming off-topic on HN, btw, is as much about upvotes and replies as it is about the original comment.

Re: Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0

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Post by dasil003 »

72deluxe wrote: post #241
dasil003 wrote: post #138

I would never want to use Perl at my day job, but I also wouldn't want to live in a programming universe where Perl didn't exist. Perl is a place where the pure joy of coding thrives.

I always found it obtuse and overly terse to the point of non-maintainability or readability, far worse than even C++. But that could be due to my lack of understanding, or being used to C-style languages and syntax. Good to see it still has a dedicated following.

Hence the first 11 words of my comment.

Re: Larry Wall Unveils Perl 6.0.0

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Post by alanh »

whyever wrote: post #273
alanh wrote: post #186

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I hate to indulge this thread, but feel obligated to note that Half-Life 3 is still naught but a name.

Half-Life 3 is not even vaporware. It was never announced, was it?

The ending of the last-released HL2 episode had a very “to be continued” feel to it, but more importantly, Valve has made statements about future releases moving away from “the episodic format” to “smaller releases” and possibly returning “to genuinely scaring the player,” but it all seems rather dead now. This section in Wikipedia has some relevant sources: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Half-Life_(series)#cite_ref-37

Probably the funniest / saddest / most hopeful part of the whole saga is that at some point, a group of fans organized a sit-in at Valve HQ to plead for a commitment to HL3 :)

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