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The Gluglug – GNU/Linux laptop with libreboot firmware

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Re: The Gluglug – GNU/Linux laptop with libreboot firmware

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I want something like this, but for a phone. The Freerunner was the closest thing to an open phone, but the call quality made it unusable (speaker hissing and other noises).

The Neo900 project is the successor to the Freerunner/OpenMoko, and might be worth checking out. They're still in development, but it has a few pretty compelling features (including and particularly, firewalling the baseband from the rest of the system).

https://neo900.org/

Re: The Gluglug – GNU/Linux laptop with libreboot firmware

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So what? Specs are not everything that counts.

I think it is a fair criticism. It correctly portraits the two options we have to spend our money on a new device: a) Very modern device and supporting the status quo or b) A slightly outdated device and supporting the market for devices that are more free

I'll add "supporting reuse and reduction of e-waste" to the second option.

Re: The Gluglug – GNU/Linux laptop with libreboot firmware

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In contrast to the Purism machines the Gluglug has free firmware. As far as I know this is the only commercially available solution with free firmware. It's also the laptop Richard Stallman uses.

Apparently the first Core2Duo MacBooks (MacBook 2,1) can also run free firmware: http://www.libreboot.org/docs/hcl/index.html

Re: The Gluglug – GNU/Linux laptop with libreboot firmware

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> Very neat, but it's specs are a little lack-lustre It's kind of the nature of the beast. It's one of the only (or is it the only?) laptops they can do this with, so if you're committed to a FSF-approved machine you're stuck with old hardware.

> It's one of the only (or is it the only?) laptops One of the only; there are several other models that are supported by Libreboot[0]. Of those, Gluglug used to sell X60, X60s, and (briefly) T60 Thinkpads as well. [0]: http://libreboot.org/docs/hcl/index.html#supported_list

Interestingly enough there are also two MacBooks there (the early plastic ones), but they're based on very similar hardware to the X60.

Re: The Gluglug – GNU/Linux laptop with libreboot firmware

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Very neat, but it's specs are a little lack-lustre: Core 2 Duo P8400 2.26GHz processor or higher Graphics: Intel GMA 4500MHD Screen: 12.1" 1280×800 TFT LCD Gigabit ethernet as standard Ports: 1x VGA, 3x USB 2.0, 5-in-1 card reader, 1x Headphone, 1x Microphone, 1x Gigabit Ethernet, 1x ExpressCard/54 Size: 11.6 x 9.2 x 0.8 inches Weight: 1.7 Kg Upgraded with an 802.11n wireless card (Atheros AR5B95, AR9285 chipset), en…

For what it's worth, I couldn't find any information on the battery in these things. I understand these are second hand, but is the old battery replaced? For that matter, what is the quality of second-hand X200's anyways?

I would wonder whether or not the keyboard is worn down, or if the screens are still in good condition. Has anyone bought one of these that can discuss this?

Re: The Gluglug – GNU/Linux laptop with libreboot firmware

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In contrast to the Purism machines the Gluglug has free firmware. As far as I know this is the only commercially available solution with free firmware. It's also the laptop Richard Stallman uses.

I've been using a C720 Chromebook with custom SeaBios firmware and running Linux.

While not a beast, a Haswell i3 with 4GB isn't bad at the ~$300 price point. Throw in a 128GB ssd and it's good to go. It's been my daily driver as I'm unfortunately content with 'open enough' given the market.

http://www.amazon.com/Acer-C720-3404-11-6-Inch-Chromebook-Gr... https://johnlewis.ie/custom-chromebook-firmware/faq/

Re: The Gluglug – GNU/Linux laptop with libreboot firmware

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In contrast to the Purism machines the Gluglug has free firmware. As far as I know this is the only commercially available solution with free firmware. It's also the laptop Richard Stallman uses.

Apparently the first Core2Duo MacBooks (MacBook 2,1) can also run free firmware: http://www.libreboot.org/docs/hcl/index.html

It's the Intel "Calistoga" platform, which is very similar to the X60 in that it uses the same chipset (945) and Apple probably followed the Intel reference design closely since it was their entry into the x86 world.

IBM/Lenovo tends to follow the reference designs more than the other companies, which helps with Coreboot porting.

Re: The Gluglug – GNU/Linux laptop with libreboot firmware

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So what? Specs are not everything that counts.

I think it is a fair criticism. It correctly portraits the two options we have to spend our money on a new device: a) Very modern device and supporting the status quo or b) A slightly outdated device and supporting the market for devices that are more free

I'd argue that this is far from slightly outdated. Starting with RAM, four gigabytes of RAM may work for a barebones programmer machine, but once you want to start doing any sort of media work, like editing photos, video, etc, you start running into that wall real quickly. Even software development work is going to cause you to run into limitations. As the processor doesn't have an IOMMU, any vms you want to run will be limited to slower, virtualized, graphics, and that expresscard slot on the side becomes a security concern (hello, evil maid). Additionally, it only supports outputting to vga, limiting your options in monitors, and making sharing content on a friend's tv a lot harder.

So in short, its constraints in various areas really do shackle you in a lot of ways. Media creation, software creation, sharing, all suffer from the weaknesses of this machine.

Re: The Gluglug – GNU/Linux laptop with libreboot firmware

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think it is a fair criticism. It correctly portraits the two options we have to spend our money on a new device: a) Very modern device and supporting the status quo or b) A slightly outdated device and supporting the market for devices that are more free

I'd argue that this is far from slightly outdated. Starting with RAM, four gigabytes of RAM may work for a barebones programmer machine, but once you want to start doing any sort of media work, like editing photos, video, etc, you start running into that wall real quickly. Even software development work is going to cause you to run into limitations. As the processor doesn't have an IOMMU, any vms you want to run will…

Not everyone needs to do all of those things. In fact, I'd argue that very few people need to do all of them. So, yeah, it's a fraction of the machine the (not maxed out) 13" rMBP I'm typing at right now is. So? If "freedom" (as the term is used by the FSF and folks of similar ideologies) is your priority, you make some compromises. If not, some would argue, that's a compromise you're making, right there.

The x200 also unofficially supports 8GB of system RAM. Since the machine is under no warranty coverage whatsoever, running an unsupported configuration will, at worst, cost you the price of a couple of 4GB SO-DIMMs or return shipping on an RMA.

Please don't judge a thing that doesn't satisfy your priorities as being somehow objectively "bad" or "wrong". It just doesn't meet your needs. Go find a machine that does, then, and let the people whose needs and priorities are met by a Gluglug x200 satisfy theirs with this.

Re: The Gluglug – GNU/Linux laptop with libreboot firmware

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In contrast to the Purism machines the Gluglug has free firmware. As far as I know this is the only commercially available solution with free firmware. It's also the laptop Richard Stallman uses.

I've been using a C720 Chromebook with custom SeaBios firmware and running Linux. While not a beast, a Haswell i3 with 4GB isn't bad at the ~$300 price point. Throw in a 128GB ssd and it's good to go. It's been my daily driver as I'm unfortunately content with 'open enough' given the market. http://www.amazon.com/Acer-C720-3404-11-6-Inch-Chromebook-Gr... https://johnlewis.ie/custom-chromebook-firmware/faq/

Do you have any idea whether there's a model with more RAM? I'm sick of my X1 Carbon but 4GB of RAM hasn't been enough.

Edit: The Chromebook Pixel might do but it's not particularly Free.

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