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Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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Probably not. I was there. AM radio kicked streaming's ass. Analog Cassettes and 8 tracks also kicked streaming's ass, and absolutely rocked compared to streaming.

How radio kicked ass streaming?

Analog transmission artifacts make sound quality worse. Digital transmission errors make playback choppy and intermittent, which completely ruins the rhythm and flow of the music.

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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I have never heard any stereo remotely duplicate the sound of hearing, say, a violin acoustically live. I don't think the difference is a higher effective bit rate. There's something else going on. Maybe it's the shape of our ears. If someone wants to revolutionize music reproduction, how about solving this problem?

Absolutely. When you listen to a violin live, you're of course not just getting the violin, but you're getting all the reverb of the environment, the spatial cues created by sound bouncing off your body and around your ears, etc.

So taking a violin sound and then playing it out of a speaker, you're playing into a totally different environment and it's going to sound different. If you've also captured the sound of the environment in which the violin was played, you're then also playing THOSE sounds into a different environment. The reverb still gets affected by the environment your speakers are in.

I think the closest you can get is binaural recordings done with mics worn on your own ears and then played back using suitable headphones.

Even that still doesn't cover the tactile dimension of sound (think about the feeling you get when bass goes through large stage monitors). There are products that try and reproduce this - I haven't tried any of them but would be eager to, as I primarily listen to music with headphones.

Nor does it cover spatialization properly either - without some form of processing, the sound source won't stay in position when you move your head.

A bit off-topic, but the more I think along these lines, the more I imagine the ideal music delivery medium being dry multitrack recordings with mixing and reverb supplied as metadata that's then applied with real-time audio processing. That'd be pretty wild!

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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post #22

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Conversely I've never had any trouble finding Flac-encoded torrents of any track I've wanted. There's just no way to pay the artist (usually) for them, because for some reason record companies think CD sales are worth protecting.

So buy the cd and encode that?

For back catalog that's often cheaper than buying the tracks online. Why pay $9.99 for an album I can get used for $6?

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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post #31
post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How radio kicked ass streaming?

Analog transmission artifacts make sound quality worse. Digital transmission errors make playback choppy and intermittent, which completely ruins the rhythm and flow of the music.

Isn't that what buffering is for?

Surely the average data plan could handle ~300kbps streaming with enough of an overhead such that buffering would make interruptions extremely unlikely?

I'd take that over having noticeably degraded sound quality almost all the time with radio.

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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post #4

I assume, by the same logic, he'll be removing his music from Radio, too?

Probably not. I was there. AM radio kicked streaming's ass. Analog Cassettes and 8 tracks also kicked streaming's ass, and absolutely rocked compared to streaming.

The most rose-tinted of nostalgia, absolutely mystifying. I remember AM and cassettes too and they sounded pretty bad, though listenably so. Even Spotify's lower quality is streets ahead; their high quality is indistinguishable from CD for almost anyone.

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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I have never heard any stereo remotely duplicate the sound of hearing, say, a violin acoustically live. I don't think the difference is a higher effective bit rate. There's something else going on. Maybe it's the shape of our ears. If someone wants to revolutionize music reproduction, how about solving this problem?

Absolutely. When you listen to a violin live, you're of course not just getting the violin, but you're getting all the reverb of the environment, the spatial cues created by sound bouncing off your body and around your ears, etc. So taking a violin sound and then playing it out of a speaker, you're playing into a totally different environment and it's going to sound different. If you've also captured the sound of the…

> A bit off-topic, but the more I think along these lines, the more I imagine the ideal music delivery medium being dry multitrack recordings with mixing and reverb supplied as metadata that's then applied with real-time audio processing. That'd be pretty wild!

That sounds a bit like MIDI. =)

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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what a shame all those people underneath dont understand what hes talking about. as a musician i agree about the sound quality, and im amazed to see all these people saying they cant hear the difference! really ? well, i can hear the difference but the reason i dont want my tracks on google or spotify or any of that is because i was never given a choice whether i wanted my records on there.

googles NDA with the PRS http://www.theguardian.com/music/musicblog/2009/sep/03/youtu... - no musician in the UK had a choice about this and none of them are allowed to see how much their tracks earn from streaming.

neil youngs pono is highly unfortunate, and its a testament to peoples total misunderstanding that he managed to pull in more than a million dollars in donations to create the format, when there was already a format called FLAC, which had been around for years, and did what he wanted.

Re: “Streaming has ended for me. I hope this is ok for my fans”

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post #4

I assume, by the same logic, he'll be removing his music from Radio, too?

Probably not. I was there. AM radio kicked streaming's ass. Analog Cassettes and 8 tracks also kicked streaming's ass, and absolutely rocked compared to streaming.

Somebody needs to visit a qualified audiologist.
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