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Hillary Clinton Plans to Campaign Against Uber’s Contractor Economy

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Re: Hillary Clinton Plans to Campaign Against Uber’s Contractor Economy

#31

I know my opinion won't be popular on HN, but looking at uber, especially, and similar companies from the outside (American living in Europe the last 6 years), the u.s. appears to be in a race to the bottom, with people competing to lower their own wages. I like uber but I think they f*cked themselves over and deserve every bit of scrutiny they are getting. There are markets where they don't screw over the drivers, f…

Uber will fight the laws for at least a couple of years and by then be half way through replacing the entire labor force with autonomous cars. This is a political tactic designed to get Hillary points in the media. She's smart enough to know it'll have little to no long term impact.

Frankly I'm surprised she picked uber as a target as uber has a very strong, large, and sophisticated political lobbying organization. Granted, they focus on local politics more than national, so maybe this is a sign of Hillary being out of touch with the local level.

I don't think we'll have autonomous cars in 2 years.

Re: Hillary Clinton Plans to Campaign Against Uber’s Contractor Economy

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Regardless of what you think of the issue, that read like a Wall Street Journal Op-Ed. I know Techcrunch skews pro-tech, but at some point reading articles like that increases your filter bubble and ends up with the reader worse off. Instead of understanding WHY people feel so strongly enough about the issue that it's a political issue, a reader just hears essentially a diatribe of why Hillary Clinton is wrong and Uber is great...

Again, no judgement on whether or not Uber is great or HC is wrong, just a concern that articles like this enhance the SV echo chamber to our own detriment.

Re: Hillary Clinton Plans to Campaign Against Uber’s Contractor Economy

#33
As someone who loves Uber and who spends thousands of dollars a year on their app, and as someone who dislikes Hillary, I cannot be happier with Hillary's stance.

Uber will remain here and their rides will stay cheap. I am, however, very concerned about their drivers. Many of them are making huge investments purchasing new cars with the implicit (and sometimes borderline explicit, depending on the marketing rep you talk to at Uber) that they can have guaranteed work and a guaranteed wage. If über decides to cut driver wages in half and pocket the profits, drivers will be out of luck. This can be catastrophic for poor families, which will be basically be forced into wage slavery. This will have huge effects on the community as Uber gets bigger.

We can all point to how Taxi unions and their lobbyists are evil (as a colored man, it's difficult for me to get picked up by one), how awesome Uber is w/ their investments in autonomous cars, and the free markets are great...but we need real employee protections in this country.

We need real protection for drivers who are making a huge investment. This doesn't have to hurt consumers either, as über can still remain insanely profitable while maintaining lower prices.

Edit: Removed the umlauts

Re: Hillary Clinton Plans to Campaign Against Uber’s Contractor Economy

#34

I know my opinion won't be popular on HN, but looking at uber, especially, and similar companies from the outside (American living in Europe the last 6 years), the u.s. appears to be in a race to the bottom, with people competing to lower their own wages. I like uber but I think they f*cked themselves over and deserve every bit of scrutiny they are getting. There are markets where they don't screw over the drivers, f…

> I like uber but I think they f*cked themselves over and deserve every bit of scrutiny they are getting.

I guess I don't get the vitriol here. If the Uber drivers had any better alternative, wouldn't they do that instead? Isn't the worst part for workers rights that they don't have a better alternative? But I don't see how that's Uber's fault, they're clearly providing what many people feel is a useful source of money (they reportedly have over 1 million drivers).

> the u.s. appears to be in a race to the bottom, with people competing to lower their own wages.

It sounds like you're blaming Uber for a poor US job market. That seems unfair. Wouldn't it be better to point the blame at literally every other company who is not providing as good of opportunities? Why point the finger at what appears to be one of the best options for lots of people? I'm sure they could improve the situation, but I'm not sure I understand why they'd be singled out (given what I've seen they'd be one of the last I'd point at). We can lament the fact that there aren't lots of opportunities for lots of people, but I guess I just don't see how it's Uber's fault that they happen to provide one of the most compelling options.

Re: Hillary Clinton Plans to Campaign Against Uber’s Contractor Economy

#35
This is why we have campaigns. We get to see the cadnidate's logic across a wide spectrum of topics.

This is practically a deal killer for me and Hillary. I think that W2 employment is a dying model. Piecemeal 1099 work empowers every participant to have clear and direct economic benefit and takes the power away from corporations to exploit labor with manipulation about how incapable they are to function independently. They rob the individual of identity, forcing membership in the ranks of the company as a sense of self.

Instead I think work will be distributed, scalable, and coordinated with great software. I think that work will happen based on real-time pricing and presence. I think that means having skills and a good reputation means you can always work when you want as much or as little as you want as long as you actually produce.

I hope that said great software isn't owned and operated by a for-profit institution, but instead is a community-driven, decentralized tool. I think this would pave the way for as close as possible 'frictionless' marketplace where the value of things and people's time are based on the value they bring, not based on slick sales tactics or lobbied regulations.

I seriously believe that government needs to empower and support independent work, or face a slow, 'Snow Crash' style extinction when mesh coordination brings about digital voting, etc.

I get a sense that Hillary will in many ways enforce the status quo and that simply isn't the kind of leadership that we need as we approach 2020 and all that comes along with it.

Re: Hillary Clinton Plans to Campaign Against Uber’s Contractor Economy

#36

As someone who loves Uber and who spends thousands of dollars a year on their app, and as someone who dislikes Hillary, I cannot be happier with Hillary's stance. Uber will remain here and their rides will stay cheap. I am, however, very concerned about their drivers. Many of them are making huge investments purchasing new cars with the implicit (and sometimes borderline explicit, depending on the marketing rep you t…

First, it's Uber, not Über. Then we should all have a reality check. All this sharing economy thing has gone a little bit too far now... It's masquerading as a revolutionary way to earn money for everybody except some greedy unions and lobbies that need to be "disrupted", and we don't see that it's just undercutting by spreading costs in an anticompetitive way. But much more important than that: the jobs they "create" are extremely weak, unprotected and they contribute to erode the middle class even more, all while centralizing wealth toward the top 1% that actually funds this sort of ventures.

I really don't get what's so revolutionary in all the services where "sharing" actually means "exploiting lower middle class people's free time or temporary unemployment to provide a service without giving any warranty for the workers, providing cheaper services for the upper middle class".

I understand and support those services where "sharing" keeps its real meaning. Like in car sharing or bike sharing, where you actually SHARE a car or a bike, and not someone else's cheap time.

Re: Hillary Clinton Plans to Campaign Against Uber’s Contractor Economy

#37

I know my opinion won't be popular on HN, but looking at uber, especially, and similar companies from the outside (American living in Europe the last 6 years), the u.s. appears to be in a race to the bottom, with people competing to lower their own wages. I like uber but I think they f*cked themselves over and deserve every bit of scrutiny they are getting. There are markets where they don't screw over the drivers, f…

Actually, your opinion is unfortunately very popular on HN.

Re: Hillary Clinton Plans to Campaign Against Uber’s Contractor Economy

#38

As someone who loves Uber and who spends thousands of dollars a year on their app, and as someone who dislikes Hillary, I cannot be happier with Hillary's stance. Uber will remain here and their rides will stay cheap. I am, however, very concerned about their drivers. Many of them are making huge investments purchasing new cars with the implicit (and sometimes borderline explicit, depending on the marketing rep you t…

I am not sure if uber has the umlauts.

While I am not great supporter of the taxi industry, I do think that you should not be too hard on the taxi drivers for not picking you up although I do understand your personal frustration. I am not sure how many uber drivers would be happy to pick up random people without knowing they had been pre-screened.

Re: Hillary Clinton Plans to Campaign Against Uber’s Contractor Economy

#39

As someone who loves Uber and who spends thousands of dollars a year on their app, and as someone who dislikes Hillary, I cannot be happier with Hillary's stance. Uber will remain here and their rides will stay cheap. I am, however, very concerned about their drivers. Many of them are making huge investments purchasing new cars with the implicit (and sometimes borderline explicit, depending on the marketing rep you t…

I am not sure if uber has the umlauts. While I am not great supporter of the taxi industry, I do think that you should not be too hard on the taxi drivers for not picking you up although I do understand your personal frustration. I am not sure how many uber drivers would be happy to pick up random people without knowing they had been pre-screened.

Yeah, I stopped caring about how taxi drivers treat me. Ironically, it is because I can use uber now :)

Re: Hillary Clinton Plans to Campaign Against Uber’s Contractor Economy

#40

I know my opinion won't be popular on HN, but looking at uber, especially, and similar companies from the outside (American living in Europe the last 6 years), the u.s. appears to be in a race to the bottom, with people competing to lower their own wages. I like uber but I think they f*cked themselves over and deserve every bit of scrutiny they are getting. There are markets where they don't screw over the drivers, f…

Uber will fight the laws for at least a couple of years and by then be half way through replacing the entire labor force with autonomous cars. This is a political tactic designed to get Hillary points in the media. She's smart enough to know it'll have little to no long term impact.

"A couple of years" is not even close to halfway to the time when autonomous cars will be available, convenient, and able to handle the traffic situations that Uber drivers do.
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