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Things will not change

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Re: Things will not change

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> When someone actually has built something, and it could be used by someone, they only get feedback about the size of the pages, how slow it is and that they should have used some other technology after all. I know of a certain community where this seems to happen a lot. Instead of commenting on the actual content or the idea, it's always "Their web page doesn't SCROLL the way I like!!" and "What amateurs--they shou…

Messed up js scrolling often means I _can't_ read the actual content. I know WP8 isn't that common, but should I just quietly accept that yet another developer decided to "innovate" and wrote a super sexy scroller that crashes and burns on my browser?

Not quietly, but perhaps just not loudly to everyone around you... an email to the author is a billion times better than another worthless HN comment about color contrast.

Re: Things will not change

#32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

To be fair, PHP is kinda dangerous, especially in the hands of novices. Honestly, a world with fewer people-who've-never-written-code writing PHP doesn't sound like a bad start to me. Don't get me wrong, it's possible to write great code in PHP, it's just a language that makes it easy for you to shoot yourself in the foot.

You hear the same argument for C / C++ but you don't see people putting it down as much as PHP.

Sure I do, just not in the web dev community because they're generally seeing more PHP to warn about than C / C++ to warn about.

Re: Things will not change

#33
to me this sounds like complaining about evolution (in the biological terms). things are evolving, some experiments are failing, better ways of doing things are emerging. is it stressful? sure. can one at sometimes feel overwhelmed? absolutely.

it's always a balance between getting things done and evolving the way you craft your things.

all things that are successful are build on other things. it's extremely rare to start from scratch.

Re: Things will not change

#34

> When someone actually has built something, and it could be used by someone, they only get feedback about the size of the pages, how slow it is and that they should have used some other technology after all. I know of a certain community where this seems to happen a lot. Instead of commenting on the actual content or the idea, it's always "Their web page doesn't SCROLL the way I like!!" and "What amateurs--they shou…

It's just bikeshedding bullshit. I just downvote and move on.

Re: Things will not change

#35
post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Messed up js scrolling often means I _can't_ read the actual content. I know WP8 isn't that common, but should I just quietly accept that yet another developer decided to "innovate" and wrote a super sexy scroller that crashes and burns on my browser?

Not quietly, but perhaps just not loudly to everyone around you... an email to the author is a billion times better than another worthless HN comment about color contrast.

wrt marginal design choices like colour schemes I absolutely agree, HN people spend too much time bickering about them. But people who wilfully display static content in such a way that people can't see it should be publicly shamed, pour encourager les autres. It's been a solved problem since 1993.

Re: Things will not change

#36
The author says:

"I accept that I cannot change anything with complaints."

I respectfully disagree as both a complainer and the implementer of things that people frequently complain about. Not everyone can fix what's wrong with their software (even when it's open source). Not everyone knows how or where to give feedback. Sometimes all you can do is complain publicly, hope others see it and help make the right people aware.

While I hate it when I write code that is broken or that people don't enjoy using, I need to know about it. I sometimes go to forums where our users help each other with our software. When I see complaints, I give the person a link where they can explain their problem or desire in detail. It's extremely helpful to us and to them.

Even if you don't reach the intended people with your complaint, saying it out loud can be incredibly liberating. It allows you to walk away from it. Just knowing that others are frustrated by the same issue makes you feel less alone.

I understand what it's like to be around people who are always negative. And I understand the posturing and snakiness in our field. I agree it needs work. (Was that a complaint?) But it does serve a very important set of purposes.

Re: Things will not change

#37

> When someone actually has built something, and it could be used by someone, they only get feedback about the size of the pages, how slow it is and that they should have used some other technology after all. I know of a certain community where this seems to happen a lot. Instead of commenting on the actual content or the idea, it's always "Their web page doesn't SCROLL the way I like!!" and "What amateurs--they shou…

> People are often quick to make the easy critique of something based on irrelevant surface characteristics.

It's not even surface characteristics, it's just the ability to make a comment, to be a participant rather than an observer.

People need their own identities validated, and that is hard to do in a social world of opinions and ideas that is constantly shifting - you can look up information that validates your thoughts and chances are, you can just as easily find information that invalidates those thoughts, and this is eternal and unchanging.

The characteristics of truth seeking on the internet is chaos. There is so much under the surface stuff that goes into fueling ideas and shaping them. If a funny meme can explode in popularity over the internet, why can't an opinion that has no foundation in the facts, but instead it just 'clicks' correctly with a set of minds? It is nonsensical, but yet, it makes sense.

I don't know if it is genuinely easier to criticize something than it is to make a positive or neutral comment. I am interested in whether it is possible to have intelligent and polite discussion last for longer than what seems to be seconds at a time, in public, anonymous forums.

I do know that I have been thinking about developing an intellect that is okay with being confused for extended periods of time, just because it's something that I haven't tried to do in all my years of internet communication and various other kinds of education. I don't know what would happen to the shape of technology, of coding, of ideas, of analysis, if many people at once, gave themselves the chance to breathe, instead of having to constantly digest (or verify against their own) a selected path in a realm of chaotic, loosely connected, incomparable, inconstrastable, unsortable, etc, ideas. I just feel like this constant reaction to preference makes us feel like we are in control, when it's more that our individual control begins to control us.

The shape of reasoning for technology in the contemporary age looks more like that which is irrational and disorderly.

/shrug

Re: Things will not change

#38
I think that the entire "AppStore is broken" section is pretty well put into perspective by the Puppygames blog ( http://www.puppygames.net/blog/?p=1677 ). It's not that the platform owners are doing anything right...it's that they've built walled gardens and effectively tricked devs into going there.

Re: Things will not change

#39

> The majority of the developers are just too arrogant to look beyond their one nose. That is an awesome choice of words, really. Just reading it makes me hopeful for the future.

There's an 18th century proverb about this:

"A little knowledge is a dangerous thing."

So this is hardly anything new. It's been the status quo for as long as people have been learning. That's partly why people like learning: because it makes them feel powerful and privileged.

Re: Things will not change

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post #24

> When someone actually has built something, and it could be used by someone, they only get feedback about the size of the pages, how slow it is and that they should have used some other technology after all. I know of a certain community where this seems to happen a lot. Instead of commenting on the actual content or the idea, it's always "Their web page doesn't SCROLL the way I like!!" and "What amateurs--they shou…

Messed up js scrolling often means I _can't_ read the actual content. I know WP8 isn't that common, but should I just quietly accept that yet another developer decided to "innovate" and wrote a super sexy scroller that crashes and burns on my browser?

If the site works well on every device but Windows Phone, then maybe it's not the site that's the problem.
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