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Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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That's all a bit presumptive and inflammatory for what amounts to pure speculation on the part of the author. Google stands to lose a lot more from a potential PR disaster for burning former customers who move away from hosting than they do from trying to convert a tiny portion of users to a free mail hosting service.

Hosted gmail is not free unless you've been with them for a while. They started charging for domains a number of years ago.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#32
I've had mail sent via my own server rejected by gmail because of a missing Message-ID header. The 550 reject message was the standard "Unsolicited Mail detected" text, the same mail was accepted without causing any fuzz once the Message-ID was added.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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post #18

"The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few." -- Spock. I'd rather have a few geeky people like me not have the fun of self hosting an e-mail server, than waste millions of man hours round the world because of people dealing with spam. If you must hack, however, use something like Mailgun. It is more hacky in a way that you can program your incoming mail the way you want, not just install a mail server with…

That...doesn't make any sense. The author doesn't appear to be spamming or doing any kind of mailing list traffic. He is an individual communicating with other individuals. That's kind of the whole point of this Internet thing we have going here. Besides, he's only being singled out by Google; no other providers seem to have a problem with his domain and Google's own headers show that everything is fine.

First, it's about triggers. You are not allowed to carry guns on an airplane. "But I didn't shoot anybody." You didn't, but the people who do, carry guns. It's a negative trigger.

Second, when a technology becomes extremely mainstream, it begins to generate federation and structure around it. It's called evolution. This is higher in services where stakes are higher, and where giving an individual excess power can screw up other individual's lives. It is the same reason you cannot install your own cell tower. You can start a tiny in-house telephony service, but you cannot complain if AT&T declines to integrate with it.

Third, the openness is a wild, wild west concept. If openness allows him to install mail server, it also allows Google to block it.

Fourth, you underestimate the amount of turtles the spam cave has. A lot of very smart people, leave mail servers on for years sending only a few emails before using it as a spam weapon. These servers can be rented for high price on the black market. If you were a measly C++ program, it is impossible for you to distinguish his good motives from a bad person. From what Google knows from 99% cases, this server will start sending spam any moment now.

Fifth, you underestimate the effect spam has. This guy suddenly starts sending out phishy Apple looking emails, asking people to change password. Next thing you know, Jennifer's pics (or your wife's, or your daughter's) are online.

We, as hackers, drink way too much Kool-Aid.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#35

Seems like author hasn't done enough troubleshooting and has jumped to a conclusion. My recommendation is to run through google's troubleshooting steps on the issue: https://support.google.com/mail/troubleshooter/2920052?hl=en Also make sure a DMARC record is setup.

I have been through this, and the end result is a contact form that no one responds to. I filled it out a few months ago and again this week.

DMARC is enabled (and in one of the screenshots, Google shows it passing). I get reports from them, but it provides no insight into their decisions.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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post #32

I've had mail sent via my own server rejected by gmail because of a missing Message-ID header. The 550 reject message was the standard "Unsolicited Mail detected" text, the same mail was accepted without causing any fuzz once the Message-ID was added.

Why on earth wouldn't your mail server add that for you?

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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The author jumps to an unfounded conclusion which is pretty irritating and probably will make everybody who could help him not want to help him. That said I've never seen a DSN like the one in the screenshot. It certainly is not generated by the gmail spam checking system, because gmail does not bounce spam. Gmail either rejects spam at SMTP DATA time, or delivers it to spam folders.

> The author jumps to an unfounded conclusion which is pretty irritating and probably will make everybody who could help him not want to help him.

Apologies if you took it as a conclusion, it was only hand waving speculation, but google does have an incentive to make it difficult for the little guy...

> Gmail either rejects spam at SMTP DATA time, or delivers it to spam folders.

They do if you have DMARC enabled, and a REJECT policy, although they still seem to ignore it sometimes and I have no clue my mail is sitting in a spam box.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This seems to also be the case with DO, I setup a mail server on an instance there and can't escape people's spam boxes.

Check the IP against the spam blacklists: http://mxtoolbox.com/blacklists.aspx You might have to spin up a bunch of servers to find one which doesn't have a blacklisted IP. Then you have to build the IP's "reputation" with the various providers before you can send a significant amount of email through it.

Thanks, I just assumed their whole block would be blacklisted. I'll try some more.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#39
Anecdotal information:

I run my own mail server and manage a number of small business clients who have mail servers. Email trust is getting more and more tedious.

Recently I was resolving a domain registrar issue with Network Solutions. They required forms filled out and signed, a copy of a utility bill from my client, a copy of my ID...

I bundled up everything and emailed them the scans. I contacted them 5 business days later, they claim to never have received it.

I sent it again while I had a rep on the phone, it went into their spam hole, probably due to size of attachment.

They helpfully suggested I get a GMail account to send the same message.

They are my registrar, they host my DNS, including my MX record. I have an spf record...

I thought it was pretty farcical, and a sad statement of digital trust/authenticity.

Some of my clients are giving up and just going with the flow, I have had several conversions to Google/Microsoft cloud-hosted solutions for email...

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

#40
post #6

That's all a bit presumptive and inflammatory for what amounts to pure speculation on the part of the author. Google stands to lose a lot more from a potential PR disaster for burning former customers who move away from hosting than they do from trying to convert a tiny portion of users to a free mail hosting service.

My own cousin blackholed my gmail because gmail sends so mych spam. I had to ask him to configure an exception just for me. If you dont want to receive spam use lafn.org. I dont know how one gets an account there but I expect it doesnt cost anything. If you want a full VPS use http://prgmr.com/ - "we dont assume you are stupid.". Its a hosting service operated by neckbeards for the benefit of their fellow neckbeards.…

Sort of off topic, but I saw an ad for prgrmr.com on a Safeway checkout conveyer belt divider in Mountain View, CA On Shoreline road near Google. I was wondering how effective this advertising has been.
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