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Pens Are Making a High-Tech Comeback

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Re: Pens Are Making a High-Tech Comeback

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> he’s built a computer with almost zero latency—when you do something, the computer reacts instantly. Oh, the irony. It's Microsoft's own fault in the first place that we have an operating system that is so horribly unresponsive. And, now, umpteen years later, it's a BIG ADVANCE that we actually make computers do what we want, when we want. Just like before Microsoft.

That's almost laughably incorrect, although unfortunately popular amongst a certain segment of the tech set. The nearly-impossible-to-use computers that did very little very slowly back in the 80s (and earlier) were not nearly as amazing as your memory is fooling you into believing. Sure, nearly-bare-metal OSes don't soak up much in the way of resources, but that only works in very narrow market segments, and compute…

Essentially, when people think back to how responsive computers were "before windows", they are recalling computers which had no networking, and disks which were so slow that you would never write software which depended in real-time on getting that data from disk. You'd pre-load all the data you needed into your meager RAM and then, yes, for doing the one thing that was loaded into memory, with the data that was already in memory, the computer would be very very responsive. But when it came to saving or loading, you could go and get a coffee.

Re: Pens Are Making a High-Tech Comeback

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post #28

"He’s built a computer with almost zero latency—when you do something, the computer reacts instantly. Here, Bathiche has solved that infuriating problem where you write or draw on a screen, and the ink is always a half-second behind your finger." So few people get that. Alan Kay once wrote in the 1970s that it was as unacceptable for there to be a delay between user action and response on a computer as it was unaccep…

People often don't understand that for an action on the web (clicking a link) the user feedback and end result don't need to be the same thing. You can update the UI in a meaningful way while you wait for the end-result to come back from the server. A user should never have to sit there after doing an action and ask themselves "Did I really click that? Or did I miss it?"

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How many tens of millions of dollars has Microsoft sunk in Surface, tablets and other touch technologies, only to have Apple eat their lunch? How many billions sunk in MSR every year yielding no commercial products? Microsoft has always needed to get their product vision from somewhere else, and for all of the hoopla about Nadella and open sourcing everything, that core fact about Microsoft hasn't changed. It's reall…

Microsoft Research is very strong, it's just that their work is broader than just new gadgets, though if you're interested in that then Kinect is an example of a product refined at MSR, plus you have the upcoming HoloLens.

For a broader understanding of what MSR does, check out their work on quantum computing ( http://research.microsoft.com/en-us/research-areas/quantum-c... ) and functional programming (Microsoft Research Cambridge and MSR-Inria are good places to look into for this). That's just the tip of the iceberg, Microsoft plows plenty of resources into R&D. The fact they invest in fundamental research isn't something to attack, it's something to celebrate, not all research needs to result in a tangible product.

Re: Pens Are Making a High-Tech Comeback

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Can I get the Hacker News recommendation on the best affordable pens and notebooks?

I will leave specific recommendations to others, but I favor http://www.jetpens.com/ for being able to easily buy singles of many different pens and notebooks and try them out for yourself.

Re: Pens Are Making a High-Tech Comeback

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Can I get the Hacker News recommendation on the best affordable pens and notebooks?

Pen: Jinhao X750 ($10) is a no-brainer. Or the Platinum Carbon desk pen ($12) if you like really thin lines.

Notebooks: Rhodia, Clairefontaine, Leuchtturm1917, or equivalent quality. Should be around $15 depending on size. Moleskines are no-go (ink bleeds through page)

Ink: Private Reserve is a nice starting point. I am particularly fond of their foam green. $11 for a 66ml bottle.

Shop: I really like Goulet Pens. Good service, amazingly careful packaging.

Source: personal experience and preference.

Re: Pens Are Making a High-Tech Comeback

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Can I get the Hacker News recommendation on the best affordable pens and notebooks?

Pen: Jinhao X750 ($10) is a no-brainer. Or the Platinum Carbon desk pen ($12) if you like really thin lines. Notebooks: Rhodia, Clairefontaine, Leuchtturm1917, or equivalent quality. Should be around $15 depending on size. Moleskines are no-go (ink bleeds through page) Ink: Private Reserve is a nice starting point. I am particularly fond of their foam green. $11 for a 66ml bottle. Shop: I really like Goulet Pens. Goo…

I'd generally recommend the Pilot Metropolitan over the X750, I feel as if the Metro is a "surer bet" when it comes to QA, and it's only around five bucks more. Plus the Metro comes in fine and medium nibs so you have a bit more choice there.

Source: I have $100+ pens but I'm using a Metropolitan literally right now.

Re: Pens Are Making a High-Tech Comeback

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Can I get the Hacker News recommendation on the best affordable pens and notebooks?

Pen: Jinhao X750 ($10) is a no-brainer. Or the Platinum Carbon desk pen ($12) if you like really thin lines. Notebooks: Rhodia, Clairefontaine, Leuchtturm1917, or equivalent quality. Should be around $15 depending on size. Moleskines are no-go (ink bleeds through page) Ink: Private Reserve is a nice starting point. I am particularly fond of their foam green. $11 for a 66ml bottle. Shop: I really like Goulet Pens. Goo…

I appreciate the reply, I have had a few Moleskines but the pages seemed relatively thin, is that your reason for them being a no go?

Re: Pens Are Making a High-Tech Comeback

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post #28

"He’s built a computer with almost zero latency—when you do something, the computer reacts instantly. Here, Bathiche has solved that infuriating problem where you write or draw on a screen, and the ink is always a half-second behind your finger." So few people get that. Alan Kay once wrote in the 1970s that it was as unacceptable for there to be a delay between user action and response on a computer as it was unaccep…

This is one thing Apple really 'got right' in iOS. You can especially see it in any app that allows you to zoom or pan the view. If you change the perspective, it will always redraw the screen according to your input. Sometimes it has to fill in the new area with a temporary texture while it runs off to load the right one, but the response is instantaneous.

As an Android user, this is one of my biggest gripes. Android just hasn't figured this out, yet, or doesn't care.

Re: Pens Are Making a High-Tech Comeback

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post #28

"He’s built a computer with almost zero latency—when you do something, the computer reacts instantly. Here, Bathiche has solved that infuriating problem where you write or draw on a screen, and the ink is always a half-second behind your finger." So few people get that. Alan Kay once wrote in the 1970s that it was as unacceptable for there to be a delay between user action and response on a computer as it was unaccep…

We've made a habit of punting on latency, and not just in HID.

It appears to be a hard habit to break.

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