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European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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In other news: not single person who rips their own CDs in all of Europe will give a crap.

Also, the only people still buying CDs don't rip them, and the rest of us have ripped their last CD over a decade ago.

The actual impact of this decision is close to zero, and therefor not a strong argument for copyright reform. Many countries still have outdated laws on the books nobody bothers with, making noise about this just gives the impression copyright reform isn't urgent.

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

#32
Lets be realistic here.

So I'm going to go and delete 90% of my mp3s and go and purchase a CD player this afternoon.

Actually nope, I'm going to continue to steal all my music out of a combination of apathy and disdain for the system.

Oh and continue to go to the odd gig.

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

#33

Seizing on the opportunity to use this supranational directive to overturn a democratically-enacted law The directive exists pursuant to action of the European Parliament* which is also a democratic institution, as someone with Jeremy Malcolm's outstanding education is surely aware. * http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:... I'm not expressing an opinion on the merits of European copyright law;…

The European Parliament is pretty f-ing far from a democratic institution.

Just because it has an election attached to it (for which the turn out is so ridiculously low they might as well not bother) doesn't make it a democratic institution.

Any power the EP has or doesn't have (mostly the latter) didn't come about through democratic process.

Imposing a faux parliament on people, especially one that operates without the context of a democratic government, doesn't make it a democratic institution. Never mind the fact that so many of these parliament members are the deeply corrupt representatives of corrupt countries.

And the people know this, hence the fact that the majority of the people of Europe now boycots these elections. Especially in countries that have a decently functioning democracy themselves.

Everything that comes out of Brussels is undemocratic, unless it pertains to the sovereign nation of Belgium.

Also, can we keep it civilized? If you don't call all opponents to your EU dreams "xenophobic", I won't call you a "eurofascist", agreed?

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

#35

In other news: not single person who rips their own CDs in all of Europe will give a crap. Also, the only people still buying CDs don't rip them, and the rest of us have ripped their last CD over a decade ago. The actual impact of this decision is close to zero, and therefor not a strong argument for copyright reform. Many countries still have outdated laws on the books nobody bothers with, making noise about this ju…

Exactly, I'm old enough to have many hundreds of CDs, cassettes and vinyl, it's quicker to download an album that I own than to go and look for it around the house let alone including the time to rip it.

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

#36
post #20

European Copyright legislative is an inconsistent mess. Right now, in Austria, the government is up to demand 6% of the price of any digital storage device, to compensate copyright holders when the legit consumers of their work execute their right to make a private copy . So the European Court apparently just has settled that in one country of the EU, consumers do not have the right to make private copies, while in o…

Well, the levy is the least of their problems

In Germany there's the issue of GEMA and the draconian policies. Also users of bittorrent are fined liberally

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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post #20

European Copyright legislative is an inconsistent mess. Right now, in Austria, the government is up to demand 6% of the price of any digital storage device, to compensate copyright holders when the legit consumers of their work execute their right to make a private copy . So the European Court apparently just has settled that in one country of the EU, consumers do not have the right to make private copies, while in o…

The article is about a decision of the UK High Court, not the European Court of Justice, so it only applies to the UK.

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

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post #19

This is just UK. I dont think it will fly in Spain, Czech rep or other parts of EU. For start there is author tax to compensate authors for fair use, it is collected as VAT on empty mediums and printers. With this law many powerful people would loose money. I would welcome it, since it means cheaper hardware. And secondly: YES! More stupid laws like this, more DRM and people will turn to free music under Creative-Com…

Minor correction, the authors tax charged on printers and copy mediums is in addition to VAT, not the same as VAT.

Re: European Court Strikes Down Law Allowing Users to Rip Their Own CDs

#40
post #13

Seizing on the opportunity to use this supranational directive to overturn a democratically-enacted law The directive exists pursuant to action of the European Parliament* which is also a democratic institution, as someone with Jeremy Malcolm's outstanding education is surely aware. * http://eur-lex.europa.eu/LexUriServ/LexUriServ.do?uri=CELEX:... I'm not expressing an opinion on the merits of European copyright law;…

Well, I'm from Europe and I don't like most of the things that come out of Brussels. In fact, when polls are made it would seem majority share my view. Maybe then 'undemocratic' is not such a bad name for it? It's tons of bureaucracy with very little democracy.

You are misinformed, according to the regularly performed Eurobarometer polls (http://ec.europa.eu/public_opinion/archives/eb/eb82/eb82_en....), there is not a single poll since 2006 where more people had a negative view than a positive view of the EU.
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