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Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by Qantourisc »

ausjke wrote: post #17

These days when I read news like this, my first response is that, does AMD have any chance to survive at all? The technical details for any new chip is secondary. Dr.Su did not have a good tracking record and I never got it why she was picked as the CEO, but it's not all her fault though, AMD has been in decline for years, I just hope someone will buy it before it totally collapses. Additionally, Intel is battling wi…

If I was a judge the ARM thing would not excuse them from a monopoly. For me it's a bit like saying you have competition because Intel has GPU's too. You can do general computing on a GPU too, but it's a different playing field.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by walterbell »

kayoone wrote: post #30
pbowyer wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It seems like Intel will be pushing 10 before they get down to 20/22... Intel seem to be struggling though, with shrinking not working out as they planned. They've missed one upgrade-round with the delay to Broadwell, and if the rumours are correct and they're releasing a couple of CPUs and then jumping to Skylake - that's quite a hit to ROI given the investment they've put in to an 'unused' chip family IMO.

Broadwell was delayed but Skylake is well on track. While there are not many Broadwell Desktop CPUs worth buying right now (Core i7-5775C and i5-5675C offer superb perf/watt though, especially the iGPU) the new round of mobile CPUs is still impressive and will certainly sell well before skylake comes around.

Is Skylake on track for laptop OEMs to ship new devices in 2015?

Lenovo released Broadwell laptops in Q1, it is hard to believe they will release Skylake before 2016.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by kayoone »

_pmf_ wrote: post #20
hippo8 wrote: post #10

AMD has to stop naming their products like this. I mean look at Intel, i3,i5,i7. I can at-least guess which one's better. Yes I do understand that Intel too has many different names that caters to different markets, yet somehow Intel’s names are far more easier for me to understand, they are far more shorter, and if I want more details about the processor I can read what’s after the "Intel-i7-xxxx" and figure what it…

> I mean look at Intel, i3,i5,i7. I can at-least guess which one's better. If you're assuming i7 to be better than i5, you're wrong. Single core clock matters. Some games are barely playable with a low clock i7, but work perfectly on a high clocked i5.

yeah, because games are all that matters to people on HN. Besides, a i7 4790K runs at 4Ghz and up to 4.4Ghz (Single Core Turbo) natively while having 4 full cores, show me a i5 that can beat it in games (non overclocked of course). Sure some lower clocked i7 might be slower than some i5s in certain tasks, but those are obviously still better at multi threaded tasks than an i5.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

#34

Post by ivank »

threeseed wrote: post #29
afsina wrote: post #19

Lack of VP9 support is bad for Youtube (and Google). I wonder if it would be too hard to support both codecs.

VP9 was always going to be dead in the water. There are just too many influential companies part of the MPEG-LA to compete with. With Netflix, Amazon and Apple moving to HVEC and the PS/XBox refresh rumored to have HVEC support there is simply too much content: legal and illegal to bother with adding VP9 support. Plus is anyone expecting a lot of YouTube 4K content ?

YouTube is using VP9 for 720p and 1080p, too. The file sizes are significantly smaller.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by Qantourisc »

pbowyer wrote: post #27
nimos wrote: post #2

I wonder if stagnating CPU requirements might make AMD competitive again. I have a 4 year old i5 laptop that can handle 100% of general office/home use. Battery life and gaming are the only two weak points. AMD aren't going to compete with Intel on battery life but with overall cpu/gpu power consumption falling it's not as big of a problem as it used to be. Wish they weren't stuck on 28nm still. It seems like Intel w…

> It seems like Intel will be pushing 10 before they get down to 20/22... Intel seem to be struggling though, with shrinking not working out as they planned. They've missed one upgrade-round with the delay to Broadwell, and if the rumours are correct and they're releasing a couple of CPUs and then jumping to Skylake - that's quite a hit to ROI given the investment they've put in to an 'unused' chip family IMO.

Guess it's their time for another Pentium4/Bulldozer mistake ?

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by Qantourisc »

venomsnake wrote: post #14

> AMD Secure Processor Can anyone explain how this works and why should a user want it? It seems like a DRM on your device.

I'm afraid some users accept DRM, also some business can require it for internal purposes. Personally I consider the existence a thread.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by kayoone »

hanifvirani wrote: post #13

They are also going to debut their new 300 series GPUs with HBM in two weeks at E3. https://twitter.com/AMDRadeon/status/605938931448737792

The 300 Series will be slightly improved repackaged 200 Series chips without HBM though. They will announce one really new chip (Fiji based) with HBM memory and a different name to compete with the 980Ti/Titan X enthusiast cards though.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by higherpurpose »

Qantourisc wrote: post #31
ausjke wrote: post #17

These days when I read news like this, my first response is that, does AMD have any chance to survive at all? The technical details for any new chip is secondary. Dr.Su did not have a good tracking record and I never got it why she was picked as the CEO, but it's not all her fault though, AMD has been in decline for years, I just hope someone will buy it before it totally collapses. Additionally, Intel is battling wi…

If I was a judge the ARM thing would not excuse them from a monopoly. For me it's a bit like saying you have competition because Intel has GPU's too. You can do general computing on a GPU too, but it's a different playing field.

To see just how little Intel cares that AMD exists in the PC chip market these days, just look at how they price their Atom-based chips. Some of them go up to $160 [1] - for what is effectively only a $30 ARM chip competitor.

Intel can afford to do this because as far as it knows the "AMD competition" doesn't exist at that level. If it did, Intel wouldn't dare to price a $30 chip five times higher or replace "Core"-based Celerons and Pentiums with Atom-based ones to trick 99% of its customers into thinking it's actually an upgrade.

[1] http://www.anandtech.com/show/9125/intel-braswell-details-qu...

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by m_mueller »

glogla wrote: post #16
pmalynin wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And so does CUDA, which usually out-performs OpenCL, plus the tooling for CUDA is just so much better with the Visual Studio integration.

Yes, but CUDA is Nvidia only - another trick in their anti-competitive bag. I always get disappointed when I see something that CUDA specific. "Hey that's interesting machine learning package! Oh wait, that's Nvidia specific." With OpenCL, you can develop on laptop, test on workstation and deploy on actual servers. With CUDA, you're trapped.

> With OpenCL, you can develop on laptop, test on workstation and deploy on actual servers. With CUDA, you're trapped.

GPGPU developers usually prefer hardware with Nvidia GPUs inside, so you can do all this too. I wouldn't call Nvidia anti competitive, just like I wouldn't use that word for Apple. They saw a niche (HPC/smartphones) when no one thought that market to be attractive, jumped in with proprietary technology that others later tried to reproduce (OpenCL/Android) and they kept the market leadership in terms of profits by reiterating their product.

Re: AMD Launches Carrizo

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Post by ploxiln »

hippo8 wrote: post #10

AMD has to stop naming their products like this. I mean look at Intel, i3,i5,i7. I can at-least guess which one's better. Yes I do understand that Intel too has many different names that caters to different markets, yet somehow Intel’s names are far more easier for me to understand, they are far more shorter, and if I want more details about the processor I can read what’s after the "Intel-i7-xxxx" and figure what it…

Oh come on, intel's naming is terrible. "better" isn't clear cut, but even if it is, i3/i5/i7 still wouldn't be consistent. Features like hyperthreading, vt-d, v-pro, more cores, better graphics, are sort of stochastically more likely to be in the i7 than the i5 than the i3, but it's never consistent.

See for example the bottom table on this page title "More Differentiation" http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-i...

i3-2100 does have aes-ni, i3-2120 does not. i5-2300 does not have vt-d. i5-2400 does. i5-2500K does not.

In that generation, i3 have hyperthreading, i5 do not, i7 do. That's for desktop chips though, for laptops its different.

The latest generation, broadwell, was slightly more consistent. But you can never be sure, I have to look up these suckers every single time. At least Intel Ark is nice.

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