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Re: WooThemes joins Automattic

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Automattic is the company that maintains WordPress core.

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The Foundation doesn't oversee core. The Foundation is a legal and financial entity that owns the trademark. WordCamps are run under the Foundation umbrella to protect organizers from lawsuits, audits, etc., but there aren't any employees for the Foundation and there aren't Foundation projects that are specific to core. Core leadership is made up of people from a bunch of different companies (including independent consultancies).

Re: WooThemes joins Automattic

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

WordPress' API and its limitations are so annoying that I just can't imagine developing for this platform unless you desperately need money. Ideally they develop some new product that is more competitive than the current combination of WP & WC.

The thousands of developers making a living mostly off of WordPress development would probably disagree with you. It's low hanging fruit, not a lot of effort for decent return.

It's a technical debt trap. You dive in with a one-click install and follow up with a bunch of plugins that seem to fit the bill. Then you spend 2-3x more time creating a custom theme for someone than you would in a sensibly-architected CMS, and only then do you begin to realize that maintenance costs down the road are going to be absolutely crazy. Especially when plugins X and Y start requiring a different theming architecture in production builds, and an immediate update to the latest version is now critical due to a security flaw. Then the plugin you were relying on for sub-task Z is sold to a third party, and while they keep promising to address security and usability issues, somehow you start to receive spam for telecommunications equipment through their support channels.

This actually happened to me. Low-hanging fruit is often a mirage when it comes to the CMS world.

Re: WooThemes joins Automattic

#35

This is a really smart acquisition. WordPress continues to dominate the CMS market. With the upcoming REST API, it's only going to get better. I'm watching niche CMS industry after niche CMS industry crumble under the continual migration to WordPress. The latest victims are the small CMS vendors who have been selling proprietary CMS solutions to public school districts for the past 15 years, charging far too much mon…

I've never heard of this FCC thing you speak of.

And most schools I know are migrating to Drupal.

Re: WooThemes joins Automattic

#37
I'm fascinated by Wordpress success.

It's an horrible peace of software, with horrible PHP code 4.x style, a db schema only a beginner could have come up with and an ecosystem with a lot of trash(not even talking about the admin which is hideous ). Yet it's a blazing success in the CMS space, because of 3 things that are insanely overlooked by other CMS developers :

- Ease of installation

- It runs on a minimal PHP/Apache/Mysql setup (cheap hosting)

- It has a great backward compatibly, unlike other solutions that break everything with each major version.

If one compares with Drupal for instance, I mean with Drupal, a designer can go really really far without writing a single line of PHP code, aside from a few tags for templates(but it's really light). You have views, CCK and a lot of handy stuff.

On the other hand, one cannot customize Wordpress without writing more than a few php tags or downloading a plugin that will mess up with the original db schema. And good luck customizing the admin(easily done with Drupal).

I get that Wordpress is more of a "platform" businesses can build products upon, but who would really want to build on that shitty core,with that db schema? one can say i'm negative and unfair in my criticism, but I think my arguments are valid.

It's true however that while Wordpress gets a lot of heat from PHP devs, there is no effort from the PHP community to build something like Wordpress with a better codebase, and a better db schema. So Wordpress still has a reason to exist.

Reminds me of Javascript : dismissed as an horrible toy by smart people, fits an niche, becomes popular and ubiquitous , smart people now have to work on these deployed codebases....

Re: WooThemes joins Automattic

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post #37

I'm fascinated by Wordpress success. It's an horrible peace of software, with horrible PHP code 4.x style, a db schema only a beginner could have come up with and an ecosystem with a lot of trash(not even talking about the admin which is hideous ). Yet it's a blazing success in the CMS space, because of 3 things that are insanely overlooked by other CMS developers : - Ease of installation - It runs on a minimal PHP/A…

I think number one reason of its success are themes and plugins.

Re: WooThemes joins Automattic

#40

Hey all. I'm Michael, a Developer Advocate at WooThemes and now Automattic. I'm happy to answer any questions. As you can imagine, we're all really excited about this.

Congrulations! This is a great step forward for the community and for both parties involved.

As for WooThemes - will we start seeing proper documentation [1] when products are released? I've been bit in the past by something being released by WooThemes, and documentation taking another half year up to year to follow.

[1] http://www.omerkorner.com/2014/09/wheres-api-reference-wooco...

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