What about Telegram?
Due to the general architecture, I think it's better compare Bleep with Tox.
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#32That screenshot protection thing is kind of dumb. As they show in their website, you take 2 screenshots and there you go, name and message.
You can say you make it harder to take screenshots but you cant promise a secure way to prevent people from saving the data you send them. That's unfeasible, its promotion of false security.
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#33What are the limits on implementing the bittorrent protocol? A open source sync alternative seems doable (even if I had to resort to port knocking or something), maybe build it on top of owncloud and get the best of both worlds?
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#34What about Telegram?
Telegram should be avoided. They do weird things with their security and ignored criticism on it. The key verification requires checking an image, so you can't do it over the phone. Plus closed source, so you're very likely entirely depending on trusting Telegram.
Their response to using AES IGM? It's along the lines of "yeah this strange mode no one uses has issues but not in the way we use it so whatever. We've got math PhDs, so trust us."
I'm no expert, but I get a really bad feeling about them, since it's the totally wrong attitude to take.
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#35There is no way to make a service that guarantees that messages are erased with current mobile technology that doesn't allow you to make another client that saves the message. Snapchat and the FTC had a conversation about this.
https://www.ftc.gov/news-events/press-releases/2014/05/snapc...
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#36I'm very intrigued by Bleep, I think that attempting to leverage the bitorrent protocol in a chat platform is a unique take, that I would like to see continue to evolve. However, I think it's important that they open the source up for this project and even potentially offer the ability for me to install and run my own server. I think until they take those steps, it will be difficult for them to gain any kind of large…
Run your own server? From my understanding there is no server involved. It is peer to peer and peers find each other by using DHT. It's closed source though, so you have to take their word on that.
it's bi bittorrent. you need a tracker.
how do you think one client can find another? i hope you don't think it was a internet wide broadcast... :)
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#37What about Telegram?
Telegram should be avoided. They do weird things with their security and ignored criticism on it. The key verification requires checking an image, so you can't do it over the phone. Plus closed source, so you're very likely entirely depending on trusting Telegram. Their response to using AES IGM? It's along the lines of "yeah this strange mode no one uses has issues but not in the way we use it so whatever. We've got…
>closed source
I can't comment on the other arguments, but the client of Telegram is certainly FOSS [1]. Their service being open source is irrelevant, since you couldn't verify it anyway.
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#38Warning: This is going to sound mean. Feel free to skip it if mean words upset you.
They claim to support "all major platforms" then completely skimp out on Linux and BSD.
Bleep isn't open source.
They claim to provide privacy, and their testimonials read:
Software Engineering at it's finest. If you haven't read
the blog post on this app then you need too. Once you see
how it works your gonna want it. Most secure messaging
I've seen yet.
Publish the git repository. Make it run on GNU/Linux and *BSD.
Or get the fuck out and stop making claims you cannot back up.
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#39Some things are highly valuable but just don't make sense to monetize. Bit Torrent is a great example of that.
BitTorrent Inc is evidently scrambling to find a way to monetize the core technology having raised money and promised investors it would do that.
They just laid off a %age of their staff, which indicates to me the end of the road might be nearing and Bleep maybe one of the last attempts they have to pull something off.
I love Bram, but IMHO Bit Torrent should return to being a true open source technology developed by the community.
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#40So far I know these decentralized (supposedly) secure messaging software/protocols:
1. Bleep
2- Tox
3. Ring (formerly SFLphone, DHT based authentication)