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Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

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Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Time to make another movie reboot.

A third (reboot) is already planned, you mean you want a forth?!

One where he starts as an actual spider and gets bitten by a radioactive man, just to give us something different forth time around.

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> “This new reinforcing procedure could also be applied to other animals and plants, leading to a new class of bionic materials,” how about silk worms? at least we know how to handle those in bulk.

There's a lot of effort going into just that, though there are some stumbling blocks researchers are still working their way through before we start seeing production scaled up. http://news.discovery.com/tech/spider-silk-silkworms-genetic...

But how about just natural silk with carbon nanotubes? Sure spidersilk is "the greatest" -- but maybe nano-augmented regular silk is better than, well regular silk?

[ed: insert dystopian sci-fi plot of scattered survivors of the nano apocalypse growing bullet proof vests from silk worms found in old industrial (nano)waste sites...]

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

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I just wrote this up myself. The results are remarkable, but the credit seems entirely due to the spiders. Well, not entirely, but the data is so limited! They only got a handful of spiders, from the lab's back yard essentially, and a bunch of them died from nanomaterial exposure, malnutrition, or both after 1 trial! Yet despite the bargain bin trappings, the results are so incredibly cool! The spiders just... incorp…

> Who would have guessed Except for not being a dog, such a spider is anticipated in Goethe's little poem «Annonce» (Advertisement): A little dog is sought that never barked nor bit takes broken glass as feed leaves diamonds as - - (my own translation, but wouldn't be surprised if it has appeared in these words before)

Yeah, pretty good!

    Ein Hündchen wird gesucht,
    Das weder murrt, noch beißt,
    Zerbrochene Gläser frißt
    Und Diamanten scheißt.

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

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I just wrote this up myself. The results are remarkable, but the credit seems entirely due to the spiders. Well, not entirely, but the data is so limited! They only got a handful of spiders, from the lab's back yard essentially, and a bunch of them died from nanomaterial exposure, malnutrition, or both after 1 trial! Yet despite the bargain bin trappings, the results are so incredibly cool! The spiders just... incorp…

Nice discovery and thank you for sharing it. Concerning the article, there are a lot of superlatives which sometimes makes me wonder whether the author is overenthusiastic and still rational; Therefore a couple of comparions would be welcome for people who didn't study material resistance, e.g. "Such a web can hold a 2kg spade if it happens to hang in your garage". Can it?

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

#35
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A third (reboot) is already planned, you mean you want a forth?!

One where he starts as an actual spider and gets bitten by a radioactive man, just to give us something different forth time around.

He could team up with Man-Bat - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Man-Bat

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

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Just when I'm full up on superhero themes it gets all interesting again.

Peter parker was just your average day Pholcidae spider, until one fateful day when he was exposed to experimental carbon nano-tubes. Now he must decide, will he use his new found super web powers for good, or for personal gain?

"Spiderman and the Space Elevator"

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

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So, for those that don't remember what "regular" spider silk is like, or kevlar:

  nanomagic spider silk:   5400 MPa (5.4 GPa)
  Spider silk:             1600 MPa
  Silkworm silk:            500 MPa
  Aramid
   (Kevlar or Twaron):     3620 MPa
  Steel:                    450 ~
                           2600 MPa
If I'm reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tensile_strength correctly (and comparing the right numbers with the ones from the article...). At least kevlar seem to be in the same ballpark.

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

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post #34

I just wrote this up myself. The results are remarkable, but the credit seems entirely due to the spiders. Well, not entirely, but the data is so limited! They only got a handful of spiders, from the lab's back yard essentially, and a bunch of them died from nanomaterial exposure, malnutrition, or both after 1 trial! Yet despite the bargain bin trappings, the results are so incredibly cool! The spiders just... incorp…

Nice discovery and thank you for sharing it. Concerning the article, there are a lot of superlatives which sometimes makes me wonder whether the author is overenthusiastic and still rational; Therefore a couple of comparions would be welcome for people who didn't study material resistance, e.g. "Such a web can hold a 2kg spade if it happens to hang in your garage". Can it?

I agree, so I asked my material scientist friend. Based on the strand thickness in that microscope image being approximately 8 microns, a single strand can hold about 250g. So a web would probably hold a spade, depending on how well it sticks. Incidentally, if you need a material scientist, OracleCarbon hangs out in IRC in #xkcd on the Foonetic network and is happy to answer stuff like that.

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

#39
post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A third (reboot) is already planned, you mean you want a forth?!

One where he starts as an actual spider and gets bitten by a radioactive man, just to give us something different forth time around.

Just like "The Spider", a villain in Rat-Man: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rat-Man_%28comics%29#The_Spider It can't climb walls, but has acquired human personality traits: selfishness, greed and cruelty.

Re: Spiders Ingest Nanotubes, Then Weave Silk Reinforced with Carbon

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So, for those that don't remember what "regular" spider silk is like, or kevlar: nanomagic spider silk: 5400 MPa (5.4 GPa) Spider silk: 1600 MPa Silkworm silk: 500 MPa Aramid (Kevlar or Twaron): 3620 MPa Steel: 450 ~ 2600 MPa If I'm reading http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_tensile_strength correctly (and comparing the right numbers with the ones from the article...). At least kevlar seem to be in the same ballpa…

Interestingly the spider silk of 5.4 GPa has higher tensile strength than the specimens of "pure" carbon nanotubes of 2cm measured in labs at 3.6 GPa. The theoretical limit of cabon nanotubes is said to be at 300 GPa, and it's assumed that materials with about 130 GPa of tensile strength would be needed for the "rope" of an space elevator.
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