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Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh: Adopt Holacracy Or Leave

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Re: Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh: Adopt Holacracy Or Leave

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I've only worked for small companies. My current company has roughly 30 employees. My eyes glazed over during the 2nd paragraph. Is this what it's like when you have a lot of employees to manage? Sending Half-Hour Emails with Capitalized Words I've never heard of?

Holacracy? Glass Frog? Teal Organization? Reinventing Organizations? Huh?

Just let me do my work, damn.

Re: Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh: Adopt Holacracy Or Leave

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post #31

I've only worked for small companies. My current company has roughly 30 employees. My eyes glazed over during the 2nd paragraph. Is this what it's like when you have a lot of employees to manage? Sending Half-Hour Emails with Capitalized Words I've never heard of? Holacracy? Glass Frog? Teal Organization? Reinventing Organizations? Huh? Just let me do my work, damn.

In a typical management structure, sending out org-wide emails is often a sign of bad management, since management is not trusting their lower tiers of management to get their message out and is essentially acting like the voice of god.

In a holocracy, who knows.

Re: Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh: Adopt Holacracy Or Leave

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post #2

An summary of the article and the concept that Tony Hsieh wrote: "We’ve been operating partially under Holacracy and partially under the legacy management hierarchy in parallel for over a year now. Having one foot in one world while having the other foot in the other world has slowed down our transformation towards self-management and self-organization. [W]e haven't made fast enough progress towards self-management,…

The opposite of formal management and hierarchy isn't "self-management" and "self-organization" but informal power structures and hierarchies. Ultimately, less security and more social pressure and control for the individual. Brave new world of work.

Re: Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh: Adopt Holacracy Or Leave

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post #2

An summary of the article and the concept that Tony Hsieh wrote: "We’ve been operating partially under Holacracy and partially under the legacy management hierarchy in parallel for over a year now. Having one foot in one world while having the other foot in the other world has slowed down our transformation towards self-management and self-organization. [W]e haven't made fast enough progress towards self-management,…

The opposite of formal management and hierarchy isn't "self-management" and "self-organization" but informal power structures and hierarchies. Ultimately, less security and more social pressure and control for the individual. Brave new world of work.

Yes non conformists do not do well in these sort of organizations

Re: Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh: Adopt Holacracy Or Leave

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"Holacracy is a social technology or system of organizational governance in which authority and decision-making are distributed throughout a holarchy of self-organizing teams rather than being vested at the top of a hierarchy.[1] Holacracy has been adopted in for-profit and non-profit organizations in the U.S., France, Germany, New Zealand, Australia, and the UK." - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holacracy

Re: Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh: Adopt Holacracy Or Leave

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post #3

Similar ideas are expressed in Valve's Corporate Handbook, which describes a company culture where there is no hierarchy, either: https://www.valvesoftware.com/company/Valve_Handbook_LowRes....

There is always a hierarchy. Either it is explicit or it is implicit (which does not mean I'm pro explicit hierarchies)

I think that's kind of right - it's the explicit awareness of hierarchy or other structures that works. (I'd argue that actually you can have hierarchy-less (sp?) organisations, but they require particular consideration - but you'll still overlay other assemblages - social hierarchies or whatever, on top of it. I did a bit responding to the Tony Hsieh email from our perspective as a company that's trying to implement Holarchy right now: http://blog.granttree.co.uk/post/117079306181/zappos-two-poi...

Re: Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh: Adopt Holacracy Or Leave

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not respond even if I read that email. Such company would be broken, and this seems like good way out.

Which would be exactly what he wanted.

He'd want the worthwhile employees to leave?

Re: Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh: Adopt Holacracy Or Leave

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post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> "Holacracy is a social technology or system of organizational governance in which authority and decision-making are distributed throughout a holarchy of self-organizing teams rather than being vested at the top of a hierarchy", according to Wikipedia. Yet there he is at the top of the hierarchy telling people to do it.

What if the holocracy decides they like hierarchies?

Brian: Please, please, please listen! I've got one or two things to say.

The Crowd: Tell us! Tell us both of them!

Brian: Look, you've got it all wrong! You don't NEED to follow ME, You don't NEED to follow ANYBODY! You've got to think for your selves! You're ALL individuals!

The Crowd: Yes! We're all individuals!

Brian: You're all different!

The Crowd: Yes, we ARE all different!

Man in crowd: I'm not...

The Crowd: Shhhhh!

Re: Zappos CEO Tony Hsieh: Adopt Holacracy Or Leave

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post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would not respond even if I read that email. Such company would be broken, and this seems like good way out.

Which would be exactly what he wanted.

And it wouldn't work because 1% of the employees would read the whole email and then tell all their friends to send an email with a banana image attached.

On a parallel note, say hello to games in the age of internet.

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