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Workers Seeking Productivity in a Pill Are Abusing A.D.H.D. Drugs

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Something will replace coffee eventually. I refuse to believe that technology will never find a better productivity enhancer, with near-zero side effects like coffee. Adderall is not the answer as these journalists like to claim though. It's useless for basically anything other than very rare usage and has difficult to manage loss of productivity during withdraw. It has an incredibly fast tolerance buildup. If your w…

> Adderall is not the answer as these journalists like to claim though. It's useless for basically anything other than very rare usage and has difficult to manage loss of productivity during withdraw. It has an incredibly fast tolerance buildup. If your work requires steady output instead of rare bursts, it's questionable whether it even surpasses coffee because of these downsides.

The problem here is that Adderall isn't meant to be used in this manner, nor is it meant to provide the user with bursts of productivity or euphoria when dosed properly.

Proper usage, as in ADHD or sleep disorders, involves titrating the daily dose to a point at which the attention and/or wakefulness-promoting effects reach the appropriate therapeutic level over the long term. This process takes in to account the inevitable tolerance that comes with downregulation of the systems that are directly (norepinephrine, dopamine) and indirectly elevated by Adderall usage.

Casual users and abusers, on the other hand, are always chasing the initial rush of drug-induced euphoria and the associated productivity and mood boost that comes in the early phases of treatment. These effects are highly prone to tolerance and downregulation (as intended) and thus can't be maintained without constant dose escalation or taking frequent breaks to pay back the built-up tolerance. Neither situation is sustainable or healthy, which is precisely why Adderall should not be considered to be a substitute for the milder stimulants that people consume casually every day.

Beyond that, Adderall has some potential neurotoxicity issues due to the way it upsets dopamine sequestration in neurons (dopamine has neurotoxic metabolites and the systems that clean up these metabolites can be overwhelmed in certain Adderall dosing schemes). Coffee, on the other hand, is associated with a reduction of certain neurodegenerative diseases.

Re: Workers Seeking Productivity in a Pill Are Abusing A.D.H.D. Drugs

#32
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>And these practices are in a way unfair against the rest of us workers! This raises interesting philosophical questions about work in general. If work is inherently valuable, isn't anything that enhances it a good thing (assume lack of side effects for simplicity)? Is it "unfair" if a doctor/scientist/programmer uses a product to be more productive? Very few of us are formally competitive athletes, and special rules…

Fair is hard to tease out in situations like this, but not everyone is able to use Adderall and get the same effects; those with ADHD just come up to normal, and there are some folks who will have very negative reactions. What method would you propose to ensure those who did not get the net positive effects of a wonder drug were not negatively affected in the work force?

You make some good points. Re: your question,

Realistically: People with severe handicaps can't compete in major league sports, and society makes no serious effort to "fix" this. If someone's brain chemistry makes them unable to compete in a field for whatever reason, they shouldn't make that field their dayjob.

Pipe dream: See eli_gottlieb's insightful comment. Basic income maybe?

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#34
Honestly though what percentage difference does this make in productivity and is that percentage really going to be the difference between a startup's success and failure? Being fired or not? Being happy or not?

If the thing makes you happy then that's one thing. If you think getting 10% or 20% more work done is going to move you from mediocre to exceptional or is going to make you happy, I beg to differ.

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#35
This really shouldn't be a shocker. I was diagnosed with ADHD in elementary school and have been on and off medication ever since. A large number of friends in the professional world use these stimulants regularly.

I think that these drugs are very useful for short term sprints where one needs to focus, or do rather mundane tasks. But it's incredibly easy to become dependent on them. At one point, I could even begin to focus unless I had the max dose of adderall and a strong cup of coffee.

I don't judge anyone who uses stimulants to increase performance. Just because I was diagnosed with ADHD doesn't mean I'm not using them as a performing enhancing drug; it's just legal for me to do so. However, I would encourage everyone - whether you're prescribed or not - to use them in moderation. It's very easy to build up a tolerance and become dependent, and once you're dependent, you're no better off than where you started.

Re: Workers Seeking Productivity in a Pill Are Abusing A.D.H.D. Drugs

#37
post #3

And these practices are in a way unfair against the rest of us workers! > Most users who were interviewed said they got pills by feigning symptoms of A.D.H.D., a disorder marked by severe impulsivity and inattention, to physicians who casually write prescriptions without proper evaluations. And thus these practices disturb statistics about the true prevalence of ADHD.

> And thus these practices disturb statistics about the true prevalence of ADHD.

Maybe in the future doctors would say "You have no prior history with ADHD, so we'll have to run a long check to see if you really need these meds". Then of course parents will start getting ADHD perscriptions for their children when they're young, so they will have a history... and we come full circle.

Re: Workers Seeking Productivity in a Pill Are Abusing A.D.H.D. Drugs

#38

How does somebody tell if they actually have ADHD or they are just easily distracted? Isn't "Do they respond to ADHD medication?" our only test?

> Isn't "Do they respond to ADHD medication?" our only test?

No, absolutely not. It's a common internet myth that response to ADHD medication is indicative of ADHD. In reality, nearly anyone who takes ADHD medication acutely will experience increased focus and productivity (again, acutely) due to the acute (pre-tolerance build-up) effects of the drugs. Additionally, new users experience a short-lived euphoria that convinces many people that they need a stimulant to feel "normal," when in fact they're just experiencing the initial euphoric effects of the drug. Be warned that the euphoria fades and, more importantly, does not return without abusing dosing schedules.

ADHD marketing materials combined with pop-psychiatry have stretched the definition of ADHD to encompass nearly anyone. It's trivial to find low-grade internet forums in which users believe that anything and everything is a symptom of ADHD. You can even find a large number of people who believe that something called "hyperfocus" (being able to focus very intently on one thing for a long period of time) is a symptom of ADHD, believe it or not. Of course, the term "hyperfocus" does not appear in ADHD medical literature or any ADHD studies.

ADHD is a complex disorder, and the modern world can (and does) drive people in to ADHD-like states with all of the distractions available to us. The single best approach to dealing with this is to pursue constant discipline and self-monitoring, in order to train yourself back to a healthier mental process. ADHD medications can help people implement those disciplines and healthy processes, but they don't actually substitute for proper habits. It's not uncommon for people to pop Adderall expecting their ADHD to disappear, only to be drawn in to extended video game or web-browsing sessions that are in no way productive.

So my advice would be to make efforts to structure your life in ways to minimize distractions and hold yourself accountable for your results. Realize that everyone is distracted in modern life, but that's not necessarily indicative of a disease. Stimulant medications are not to be taken lightly, and you're best avoiding them long-term if possible.

Re: Workers Seeking Productivity in a Pill Are Abusing A.D.H.D. Drugs

#39
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tolerance/withdrawal drawbacks for adderall are nearly non existent if you don't abuse it and take weekends off. Sure, after the well known honeymoon phase of a few weeks it's not the superman pill you might have expected would last forever, but otherwise responsible use will keep you more productive. People with little will power or addictive personalities (which a third party can't possibly always know) aren't…

i recently quit adderall after 10 years and experienced Zero withdrawal.

Everyone is different, of course, but after 10 years it would be reasonable to assume that your brain was well-adapted to many of the effects of the Adderall and that you were taking a reasonable therapeutic dosage with a proper, healthy dosing schedule.

On the other hand, those who abuse Adderall for the initial euphoric and energetic properties with sporadic dosing schemes are likely to experience unpleasant withdrawal as those effects disappear.

Re: Workers Seeking Productivity in a Pill Are Abusing A.D.H.D. Drugs

#40

How does somebody tell if they actually have ADHD or they are just easily distracted? Isn't "Do they respond to ADHD medication?" our only test?

I'd start with the DSM-V criteria for ADHD [1].

[1] http://www.cdc.gov/ncbddd/adhd/diagnosis.html

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