Most of what the law is allowing, was already done before. It's more about legalizing some illicit methods, even if methods are debatable...
Widely adopted behaviours can't be legalized simply because of their widespread. Do that with murder…
French National Assembly approved Internet traffic monitoring system (French)
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#32French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.
How the fuck does 25/577 make quorum? Do they not have this concept?
There always was an issue of people being absent at the Assembly, so that concept was hard to enforce.
It is usually not that bad, though. I think the low number is due to allegiance to a party. Socialists felt like they had to vote in agreement to their party leaders to advance their careers, but to avoid backslash from the press and the public, many didn't show up. Their opposition, the right wing, always was big on tighter consumer control and surveillance. The previous president famously had speeches where he described his ambition to wash out undesirables with Kärcher, and he made some waves during his mandate as Minister of the Interior when he talked about his intention to track immigrants. Since he is still considered important in their party, I suppose many had the same dilemma and didn't come.
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#33Can anyone point to an alternative to Gandhi.net for domains / SSL? Works well, good service, not godaddy.
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#34Just curious, is this different from what the nsa is doing in the US?
Well, the NSA was really pissed when Snowden revealed they did it secretly but France is passing a law to do it officially.
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#35It just took ONE small-scale false flag operation "Charlie Hebdo" for the French people to give up their rights and for their predatory security apparatus to jump and devour them.
> the French people by French people you mean a few representatives?
The fact that only 30 of them bothered to show up tells you everything you need to know about the rest, really.
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#36There is a theory that says that the terrorist attacks, and the rise of violence and crime are caused (at least allowed) by decision makers and governors.
There is a lot of money at stake...
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#37French National Assembly has 577 delegates. According to Le Monde article, 25 voted for and 5 against. The rest, I suppose, didn't care to show up. This is beyond WTF. I am a client at OVH and Gandi and I hope they send a big FU to the French government and relocate. I am willing to pay a premium for that.
They announced that they are going to relocate, indeed: https://eu.ovh.com/fr/news/articles/a1743.le-gouvernement-ve... And launched a big initiative to federate tech actors against the bill: http://ni-pigeons-ni-espions.fr/ ######## Breaking ######## Octave Klaba finally declares that the bill doesn't compromise the trust chain. https://twitter.com/olesovhcom/status/588666965755092993
They are not really saying they will relocate, and obviously OVH invested dozens, maybe hundreds, of millions in new data centers and fibers.
Their business is based on real locations, in real buildings and you can't change that easily.
They are saying that it will most likely alter their growth and ability to attracts new customers. They may freeze new data center projects in France, but even that might be unlikely as they have a massive customer base in France.
Of course OVH already have several data centers outside of France, in Canada for example.
That doesn't help us french people, as our traffic will be inspected from where ever it is coming and going, as long as it originate here.
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#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
How the fuck does 25/577 make quorum? Do they not have this concept?
There always was an issue of people being absent at the Assembly, so that concept was hard to enforce. It is usually not that bad, though. I think the low number is due to allegiance to a party. Socialists felt like they had to vote in agreement to their party leaders to advance their careers, but to avoid backslash from the press and the public, many didn't show up. Their opposition, the right wing, always was big o…
> Since he is still considered important in their party
He is, in fact, the current head of the main conservative party, and will no doubt be presidential candidate in 2017.
> I suppose many had the same dilemma and didn't come.
I suspect the dilemma was more about avoiding to support the current majority too openly. As you said, nobody will mistake the UMP for a bastion of privacy and individual freedoms.
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#39Suggested improvement to the French political system: if < 50% of the delegates are present there is no quorum and no laws can be passed.
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#40La Quadrature du Net has also affirmed that while they were demonstrating in front of the National Assembly, there were two IMSI Catchers. And the law wasn't even passed yet. Great example of what will happen. ( http://www.franceinfo.fr/actu/politique/article/des-appareil... link in french, can provide a translation if needed) Bernard Cazeneuve, our ministre de l'Intérieur (Tasked with internal security, i.e. police…
> This law was voted by 30 delegates. From a total of 577
This is how democracy dies. Now the 95% other members of the National Assembly will say "that it's not their fault, because they didn't even vote for it!", if some major abuses happen due to this in the future. Despicable.