I can't help but feel that not supplying processors to the "National University of Defense Technology" is basically a textbook use of export regs?
I don't really understand why people are complaining about this one?
Guangzhou Supercomputer Center Added to US Technology “Denial List”
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#32Those Xeon chips are mainstream server chips, are they not? And this restriction seems to affect only a few Chinese entities. So what's to stop China from getting the same chips from Intel through another company? Is the U.S. just going to play whack-a-mole with them? Also, the reason given for this is so hilarious. China is using the supercomputers to "research nuclear explosions". China is doing WHAT?! Stop the pre…
Tianhe-2 uses Xeon Phi, not the mainstream Xeon processors. By the way, even mainstream Xeons can have very different performance depending on the specific model.
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#33> 'opened the kimono' Kimonos are Japanese, not Chinese. EDIT: I understand that 'opened the kimono' is already a phrase but it seems like it was used because the article is about china.
As others have already noted, "open kimono" is a business term. http://www.investopedia.com/terms/o/open-kimono.asp
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#34I can't help but feel that not supplying processors to the "National University of Defense Technology" is basically a textbook use of export regs? I don't really understand why people are complaining about this one?
Denying the chinese access to Intel chips for their flagship supercomputing facility only promotes indigenous Chinese chip manufacturing. Given that there's no reason why Chinese chip design and manufacturing could not match and/or exceed western designs, this choice potentially accelerates the rate at which Western dominance over high tech goods is eroded.
Furthermore, by denying Intel chips in such a high profile manner, this will likely cause all sorts of antagonization, and reduce the ability to pressure/guide Chinese growth and development in directions that are more beneficial for American/Western interests.
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#35Is the US slowly bowing out of the international tech scene? China is still going to get their processors from somewhere, the difference is if they don't get them from US companies then no money gets added to the US economy when they do buy their chips. This type of government interference doesn't hurt Chinese businesses at all, but could damage or destroy US-based businesses that may depend on foreign customers to s…
It's naive to assume that America makes all the processors. Intel and AMD have fabs all over Europe and the Middle East. Germany and Israel are known for their processor fabs. Processor makers are multinationals, not national companies. Both AMD and Intel are bigger than the US. If China stops buying from major multinational US companies, the entire Western tech industry will be hurt. No American jobs are lost when a…
Any company that wants to have a presence in the US must abide by the list as far as I know. Even further to the point AMD and Intel are actually headquartered in the US...
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#36It appears the US Government is making it up intel by having them use the chips in a new supercomputer for the department of energy.
http://techreport.com/news/28092/xeon-phi-chips-will-fuel-18...
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#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
It is perhaps naive to assume that any given part can be had with identical properties and costs from American or non-American suppliers. Also, there are other considerations at hand, such as making life harder for foreign intelligence agencies.
From what I could decipher from the end of the article, it sounded like China has already migrated away from Intel's architecture and replaced it with a different architecture they could get their hands on more reliably—meaning even if the US were to reverse their decision about this denial list, the damage to Intel is already done. This may have killed the demand for Intel's products in China, even if they were free…
"L'avion s'est envolé!"
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#38China needs not to worry about this. And by the way few people do math "heavy lifting" with x86 CPUs today, they would rather do it in a GPU China has the fabs and the expertise (or at least it is getting there). It's a non issue. "They have taken the best that the USA has developed (some of key Alpha, GPGPU and MIPS architects left US over the course of past four years, a lot of them due to non-renewed visas) and di…
> And by the way few people do math "heavy lifting" with x86 CPUs today, they would rather do it in a GPU
This depends on the workload, really; some workloads are quite GPU-unfriendly. In any case, the supercomputer in question---Tianhe-2 [2]---derives most of its computing power from the Xeon Phi [1], a x86-ish many-core vector processor which looks much like a GPU.
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#39The NSA are screaming 'nooooooooo' as they realise the backdoored Intel chips aren't going to be used by the Chinese!
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#40Is the US slowly bowing out of the international tech scene? China is still going to get their processors from somewhere, the difference is if they don't get them from US companies then no money gets added to the US economy when they do buy their chips. This type of government interference doesn't hurt Chinese businesses at all, but could damage or destroy US-based businesses that may depend on foreign customers to s…
It's naive to assume that America makes all the processors. Intel and AMD have fabs all over Europe and the Middle East. Germany and Israel are known for their processor fabs. Processor makers are multinationals, not national companies. Both AMD and Intel are bigger than the US. If China stops buying from major multinational US companies, the entire Western tech industry will be hurt. No American jobs are lost when a…
Most Intel fabs are in the US, particularly the new ones. Only one Intel fab is in Israel. All but one 14nm Intel fabs are in the US (the exception is in Ireland). The Intel fab in China is 65nm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_manufacturing_sit...
AMD is now a fabless company. They contract with other companies that own fabs.