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American students head to Germany for free college
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Re: American students head to Germany for free college
#32How could this possibly make sense to German taxpayers?
Germans are not so obsessed about not paying taxes like e.g. Americans or Swiss. Nobody likes to pay taxes and everybody complains about the high taxes. But I think (actually hope!) that Germans understand (if only unconsciously) that happiness is much more depending on getting old without fear of poverty, knowing to be treated if ill, being able to go safely outside anytime anywhere, not dropping out of society if b…
Where did you get the idea that Swiss are obsessed with not paying taxes ? In fact Switzerland and Germany are very similar in all the aspects you mention.
Re: American students head to Germany for free college
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
> According to the DAAD, half of foreign students getting a degree in Germany will stay. That's not just in the short term either — 40 percent of students plan on remaining for at least 10 years. In the U.S., only 12 percent of international students opt to stay for even one year That probably makes financial sense. Of course, it doesn't scale, but for the number of people studying right now it's probably a net benef…
US Visa system is not very friendly to foreign students either.
Yeah. Right now the US offers its educational infrastructure to foreigners to study in, and then destroys most of the good will that this generates in the student by basically kicking them out after graduation. Not sure how this makes sense from either a business or a PR standpoint.
Re: American students head to Germany for free college
#34Other European countries are similiar, e.g., Austria
€ 726,72 per semester for students outside the EU, for EU citizen its free, as long as they are in minimum time
Re: American students head to Germany for free college
#35How could this possibly make sense to German taxpayers?
According to the article there are about 100 American Students at the University of Cologne. That should be about 1% of the students. Having 1% more students more who pay exactly as much as domestic students isn't something that concerns me as German taxpayer, even if there would be no benefit for us. If I would have a problem with our budget there would be much bigger fish to fry.
When I started at Imperial College London in 2004, about 30% of the students in my class were from China, Taiwan or similar. Many wanted to work in the US, some had applied to US universities. By the time we graduated, after having lived here and with the US tightening its immigration policies, most took jobs in the UK.
That was with £17,000+/year fees (for non-EU students), so they were super-rich and also clever. If studying at Cologne is free for them, and in English, that will attract potential students away from Britain.
I paid about £1000 year, like all British students, but I'd definitely consider Germany if I was 17 now. Fees for British students have increased to ~£9000/year! My workplace has a very international staff, all bilingual staff's teenage children are pretty much guaranteed to study elsewhere in the EU, with others considering it.
Re: American students head to Germany for free college
#36Education in Europe is not free. You pay with your qualifications. If your university grades are not good enough, you go out fast. I studied engineering in Europe. When I went to Boston or London to work it was like I was the boss or something because I was much better prepared than Americans or British. But Americans have much better job opportunities that make them better than Europeans after working some time in a…
> Education in Europe is not free. You pay with your qualifications. If your university grades are not good enough, you go out fast.
Could you be a little more specific? The size of Europe, America and Asia is too huge for statements like that. There are definitely universities in Europe that are more similar to some in the US than other universities in Europe.
I'm a student in Sweden and I have not experienced anything that supports the quote above.
Re: American students head to Germany for free college
#37Earlier quoted context omitted.
From the article: >Germany wants these international students here, even though their taxpayers foot the bill. >“Germany is not a country that's growing,” Malone says. “Its population is not growing. They need people, they need immigrants. They want to be a migration country.” >Think about it this way: it’s a global game of collecting talent. All of these students are the trading cards, and the collectors are countri…
I completely get the premise of drawing talent. I don't agree with the concerns over population numbers itself. You see this fear from Japan, Germany, and much of Europe. Entering into an age that will be dominated by robotics, greater general automation, artificial intelligence, etc., having more people across the board will not be a net benefit. Germany is worrying about this at exactly the wrong time. Germany has…
The intention in germany is much more to try to keep the population stable (it is currently decreasing). The current development is somewhat frightening regard the german pension insurance system.
For a comparison see:
Re: American students head to Germany for free college
#38Earlier quoted context omitted.
US Visa system is not very friendly to foreign students either.
Yeah. Right now the US offers its educational infrastructure to foreigners to study in, and then destroys most of the good will that this generates in the student by basically kicking them out after graduation. Not sure how this makes sense from either a business or a PR standpoint.
I'm wondering if creating per-state Visas would help this. States that want to be more open to foreigners could potentially fast-track such visas, but getting a full USA citizenship would require jumping through more hoops.
Re: American students head to Germany for free college
#39Education in Europe is not free. You pay with your qualifications. If your university grades are not good enough, you go out fast. I studied engineering in Europe. When I went to Boston or London to work it was like I was the boss or something because I was much better prepared than Americans or British. But Americans have much better job opportunities that make them better than Europeans after working some time in a…
"I studied engineering in Europe. When I went to Boston or London to work it was like I was the boss or something because I was much better prepared than Americans or British."
What do you mean by "I studied engineering in Europe"? London is in Europe.
Re: American students head to Germany for free college
#40I wonder if American students fleeing their country to save on education tax is more than anecdotical.
BTW, the article mentions Germany, but isn't education cheap in most European countries?