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Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Post by mmcru »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #22
mmcru wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

i agree. recently i desired to create an online community for a small game that probably wouldn't have many users or posts. subreddits are fantastic for that type of thing, and i like the ease of use and PRAW, however, handing over all of the community's data to conde nast isn't something i'm interested in. what i'd like is a tool with which to create online communities, which would consist of a message board with up…

> * what i'd like is a tool with which to create online communities* vBulletin has support for all of this, as does WordPress, and probably a hundred other pieces of software. The downside, as always, is that you become a sysadmin and moderator and hacker and on-call technician.

right, perhaps i could use vbulletin or wordpress with another piece of software handling the decentralization and encryption parts, i didn't think that was built in, though.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Post by GhotiFish »

ianstallings wrote: post #15

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

I can understand that attitude, I don't think there's many on HN who would openly support the public sale of firearms with their serial numbers filed off.

Anti-terroism laws are great, the problem is that everyone is a terroist.

Anti-criminal laws are great, the problem is that everyone is a criminal.

Anti-drug laws can also be great, the problem is that relatively safe drugs are incredibly illegal, and applied typically against minorities, and extremely unsafe designer drugs arn't and circulate amongst the public.

It's not so black and white as I see it, anyway.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Post by jkot »

nickysielicki wrote: post #3

We (speaking as a netizen) need Usenet 2.0; eg: something that can fulfill the role of reddit that is decentralized/distributed. Perhaps reddit can even transition into being a reader (a la google reader) for people that don't want to set up their own node. I'm not saying that drug discussion is the quintessential act that deserves to be protected, but I am worried that the government has such an easy avenue to get t…

Usenet 2.0 is Facebook :-)

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Post by dublinben »

cwkoss wrote: post #27
dublinben wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>One would assume One would be quite foolish to assume strong OpSec from drug seekers and their enablers. We've seen case after case resulting from these busts with absolutely trivial investigations necessary to locate the defendants.

Not a /r/DarkNetMarket customer, but I read it to keep the pulse on that section of the Bitcoin economy. You're very right. Every few months someone posts a "tails is overkill, here's my (misconfigured insecure) mobile TOR setup that is just as good". I'd wager many darknetmarkets customers aren't keeping tor properly up to date either.

Security is hard and not fun. Especially when you're high.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Post by thejrk »

dublinben wrote: post #29
ianstallings wrote: post #15

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

>they are criminals They likely disagree that their "crimes" ought to be illegal, and do not accept the legitimacy of any punishment for such behavior. Why should they have to "make a choice" and make "better decisions" when they don't believe what they've done is wrong?

It doesn't matter if you disagree or not, it IS illegal.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Post by kohanz »

dublinben wrote: post #29
ianstallings wrote: post #15

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

>they are criminals They likely disagree that their "crimes" ought to be illegal, and do not accept the legitimacy of any punishment for such behavior. Why should they have to "make a choice" and make "better decisions" when they don't believe what they've done is wrong?

... and how well does a society function if everyone gets to decide for themselves what rules they follow?

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Post by hnnewguy »

ianstallings wrote: post #15

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

>It just always makes me chuckle when criminals won't face the fact that they are criminals.

"I know, right? Why don't all those damn sodomites just take their chemical castration and shut up and accept the fact they're criminals?"

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Post by ianstallings »

guelo wrote: post #24
ianstallings wrote: post #15

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

The reason I know you're lying is that anybody that I have met that has done any time says they wouldn't wish it on their worse enemy.

I had a whole response here but I took it out. I'll put it this way - you don't know what you're talking about and my name is right there in my nick. Do some investigation then return and tell me I'm lying.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Post by dataker »

ianstallings wrote: post #15

Warning: this opinion probably won't fit into the HN zeitgeist. If you commit a crime online don't be surprised when they seek to gain evidence against you. This isn't a liberty issue. This is a you're probably a criminal issue and law enforcement is coming after you. I don't protect drug dealers in my neighborhood because of their right to free speech and personal liberty so why would I protect these guys? It just a…

This matter is beyond using or selling drugs. The definition of crime is based on a law which isn't necessarily morally right.

For example, in my country, discussing LGBT or even marijuana would get you into serious trouble. Hence, as internet users, we should look beyond our time and space, ensuring freedom of speech.

Re: Feds Demand Reddit Identify Users of a Dark-Web Drug Forum

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Post by TazeTSchnitzel »

dublinben wrote: post #34
cwkoss wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not a /r/DarkNetMarket customer, but I read it to keep the pulse on that section of the Bitcoin economy. You're very right. Every few months someone posts a "tails is overkill, here's my (misconfigured insecure) mobile TOR setup that is just as good". I'd wager many darknetmarkets customers aren't keeping tor properly up to date either.

Security is hard and not fun. Especially when you're high.

And you need only slip up once. If you were sloppy at the start and straightened up later, too bad, the feds know who you are now.
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