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Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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My hometown is Wujin, Changzhou, the second city this post described. I lived there for almost 20 years. It has never been a ghost city as I known. It is always flourishing. If this place will be called ghost city, I don't know how you describe most United States cities.

That is the point of the article. The article is a list of places that are not ghost cities, even though they have been described as such by idiots in the press.

Actually he claims they used to be ghost cities: "Below are five new cities in China that have advanced through the ghost city phase and have come to life."

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

#33
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2013 article... You fall right into the posts topic. Latest maps show beginnings of a bustling city... Wiki show 2m pop. Chinese really believe in build it.. They will come...... Eventually in hordes.

Here is one from yesterday: http://gizmodo.com/4-instant-cities-that-are-still-completel... Quote: >Today, the real-estate situation in Ordos has turned macabre. Video billboards along the city's major roadways display mug shots of fugitive developers who have skipped town, fleeing their debts. There are rumors about the dynamiting of buildings in Kangbashi: about owners of unoccupied apartment towers who hope to cre…

China is a big place, and the original article is a puff peice. I could see all the places described here growing furiously, while dozens more cities are lying empty and abandoned.

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

#34
post #27

The current narrative in the u.s. press, including the tech press, is that china is somewhat backward and uncompetitive. Some people even still call them communist. When the reality is quite different, with cutting edge research, products, technology coming out every day. There are cities in china you've never even heard of that have populations bigger than most major u.s. cities. In something like 50 years the Chine…

Maybe something about only allow one child and what not. That seems pretty communist to me.

I never understood the criticism over one child policy. Had it not been for that policy, the population of China could well be over 2 billion by now. Is this something the rest of the world wanted? Sure it's cruel and not fair to some of the families, but considering the alternative, I'd argue this is something that has to be done.

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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The current narrative in the u.s. press, including the tech press, is that china is somewhat backward and uncompetitive. Some people even still call them communist. When the reality is quite different, with cutting edge research, products, technology coming out every day. There are cities in china you've never even heard of that have populations bigger than most major u.s. cities. In something like 50 years the Chine…

In something like 50 years the Chinese went from a poor 3rd world country to 1st world,

China is regarded as 1st world now? My understanding is that the economic advances has been limited to a portion of the population and a big chunk of the population is still quite rural and poor.

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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Maybe something about only allow one child and what not. That seems pretty communist to me.

Surely the one child policy is more Malthusian than anything else, and Malthus was very far from communist.

Was Malthus advocating forced abortions? If not, the Chinese are up to something else.

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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post #36

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely the one child policy is more Malthusian than anything else, and Malthus was very far from communist.

Was Malthus advocating forced abortions? If not, the Chinese are up to something else.

Celibacy for the poor was his preferred method.

And three very prominent opponents of Malthus are Marx, Engels and Lenin.

The one child policy is not particularly communist.

edit - Also, China has an insanely long literary history, if I was going to place bets I'd start looking for the sources of the one-child policy somewhere in there before going to people like Malthus or Marx. That said, the policy is without a doubt far more Malthusian than it is Marxist.

edit2 - here's a guess - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Book_of_Lord_Shang

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is the point of the article. The article is a list of places that are not ghost cities, even though they have been described as such by idiots in the press.

Actually he claims they used to be ghost cities: "Below are five new cities in China that have advanced through the ghost city phase and have come to life."

The preceding paragraphs before that line all attack the press concept of the Chinese ghost city though, so in the context of that line, ghost city is meaning 'normal city still under construction' rather than 'giant Potemkin village never to be filled'.

Re: Chinese Ghost Cities That Came Alive

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post #34
post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe something about only allow one child and what not. That seems pretty communist to me.

I never understood the criticism over one child policy. Had it not been for that policy, the population of China could well be over 2 billion by now. Is this something the rest of the world wanted? Sure it's cruel and not fair to some of the families, but considering the alternative, I'd argue this is something that has to be done.

While I completely agree, the one child policy hasn't been without its problems.

For example, the number of boys Vs. girls in China is likely going to result in either a civil war or worse another international conflict 20 years from now. An extremely unhappy population is not constructive for world peace (or even inter-China peace).

I am extremely concerned about that powder keg and everyone else should be too. What does a society do with a bunch of unhappy 20 something males typically?

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